Advice Needed: parents who both work long hours

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

Another completely delusional poster. You net 55k A MONTH? What do you do for that 55k per month? Seriously... many people net that per year here.

DH nets 35k per month and bonuses 500k-1m per year.

We spend about $1500 per month on housekeeping and I’m a SAHM. We have someone deep clean every other week and another person who helps cook, do laundry, tidy up part time.

We do not live a lavish lifestyle but we do live in a large house. I don’t know who thinks a housekeeper makes 150k. People on this site are not in touch with reality.

You have to pay taxes on bonuses.

My point was people above made it seem like getting housekeeping help was not attainable for 12-30k and it is.

I don’t work and still need housekeeping help. Op can and should get similar paid help plus a few more hours from the nanny.

I used to have a full time nanny, house cleaners, tutor and a mother’s helper when I was still working. It was too much outsourcing for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

Another completely delusional poster. You net 55k A MONTH? What do you do for that 55k per month? Seriously... many people net that per year here.

DH nets 35k per month and bonuses 500k-1m per year.

We spend about $1500 per month on housekeeping and I’m a SAHM. We have someone deep clean every other week and another person who helps cook, do laundry, tidy up part time.

We do not live a lavish lifestyle but we do live in a large house. I don’t know who thinks a housekeeper makes 150k. People on this site are not in touch with reality.

I seriously need to stop reading DCUM 🙁

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

Another completely delusional poster. You net 55k A MONTH? What do you do for that 55k per month? Seriously... many people net that per year here.

DH nets 35k per month and bonuses 500k-1m per year.

We spend about $1500 per month on housekeeping and I’m a SAHM. We have someone deep clean every other week and another person who helps cook, do laundry, tidy up part time.

We do not live a lavish lifestyle but we do live in a large house. I don’t know who thinks a housekeeper makes 150k. People on this site are not in touch with reality.

I seriously need to stop reading DCUM 🙁

LOL I know. In my day to day life feel like I'm in the 1% but we net around $120K per YEAR. On the other hand, reading this has me thankful to have arranged a life where I feel rich, even if by this thread's standards DH and I combined earn a housekeeper's salary. And I'm in NYC btw so it's hardly like I'm living in a low COL exurb.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

Another completely delusional poster. You net 55k A MONTH? What do you do for that 55k per month? Seriously... many people net that per year here.

DH nets 35k per month and bonuses 500k-1m per year.

We spend about $1500 per month on housekeeping and I’m a SAHM. We have someone deep clean every other week and another person who helps cook, do laundry, tidy up part time.

We do not live a lavish lifestyle but we do live in a large house. I don’t know who thinks a housekeeper makes 150k. People on this site are not in touch with reality.

I seriously need to stop reading DCUM 🙁

LOL I know. In my day to day life feel like I'm in the 1% but we net around $120K per YEAR. On the other hand, reading this has me thankful to have arranged a life where I feel rich, even if by this thread's standards DH and I combined earn a housekeeper's salary. And I'm in NYC btw so it's hardly like I'm living in a low COL exurb.

Omg don’t believe a single word that people post on DCUM. It’s full of liars and trolls. Are there people making that much and more, sure. Are they all hanging out on DCUM all the time ready to pounce in any money thread - nope.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to be this and I cut back. I ended up staying home and had a third child. DH earns a seven figure income and I’m a SAHM. We live in a nice house in mclean and our kids attend public school.

I was just missing my career today. Reading this post reminds me of how hard it was when I was working. I used to cry because I missed my baby’s bedtime most nights. Getting an hour with your baby in the morning just wasn’t enough. I actually did cut back and it still was hard. I remember having two drop offs and pick ups when my older child started elementary. I was always scrambling.

I used to have a full time nanny plus preschool. Then I had a housekeeper and cook. It was really hard to get a PT afternoon sitter/driver. I remember writing the description for care.com and I decided I wanted to be the one to take my kids to sports and activities, help kids with homework and feed them dinner. We would never have had our third child if I was still working.

I don’t think your dual long hours are sustainable. We do know families who have multiple nannies or a FT nanny even when kids are in elementary.

That's exactly what this boils down to, PP. I'm happy for you that you are in a better place. Working moms are in a rough spot. We've been fed the line that we must get out into the working world to prove our worth (and pay homage to the feminist leaders before us) but we also have been sold the line that we can have it all. The fact of the matter is that we absolutely cannot. OP, you cannot have it all so you must choose. You either outsource your household duties (and much of that mothering) or you give up your current career path. One of those will have to give. I'm not here to tell you which is more valuable, as that's for you to decide. But if you wish to continue with your hours and DH's schedule, you'll have to hire more help. And you'll need to balance your budget to do that. Figure out what line items are really worth it (good bye cars) and ante up for the extra domestic help.

I know we all read the Atlantic article a few years back about not having it all. I'm 40+, 3 kids and found it out the hard way in law. I now work for myself and am WAHM full time. It works for me but I won't have the upward income mobility as OP. I am raising my own kids, doing all the cooking/cleaning/sports events because that was the choice that I made. OP, figure out your choice and roll with it. Because we don't get it all in this life. And no, your DH doesn't either despite what PPs here may say.

Not true. Of course a hardworking parent in a high-powered career can "have it all" with a rich and fulfilling home life. How do we know? Because men have been doing it for generations. Wanting to "have it all" is not the problem. Partners who aren't on board are.

If "have it all" means both partners have high-powered careers, then no, that is not possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

(I mean 2-3 hours/day).

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

Another completely delusional poster. You net 55k A MONTH? What do you do for that 55k per month? Seriously... many people net that per year here.

DH nets 35k per month and bonuses 500k-1m per year.

We spend about $1500 per month on housekeeping and I’m a SAHM. We have someone deep clean every other week and another person who helps cook, do laundry, tidy up part time.

We do not live a lavish lifestyle but we do live in a large house. I don’t know who thinks a housekeeper makes 150k. People on this site are not in touch with reality.

You have to pay taxes on bonuses.

My point was people above made it seem like getting housekeeping help was not attainable for 12-30k and it is.

I don’t work and still need housekeeping help. Op can and should get similar paid help plus a few more hours from the nanny.

I used to have a full time nanny, house cleaners, tutor and a mother’s helper when I was still working. It was too much outsourcing for me.

Absolutely -- OP CAN afford more domestic help (no need to spend $150k ) and she SHOULD get it.

When it comes to non-kid related domestic tasks, she should spend about 15 minutes each evening cleaning up from dinner, throw dishes into dishwasher, quick wipe down of eating/cooking area, and quick simple tidying up/de-cluttering around house. That's it -- she shouldn't be doing anything else by way of domestic tasks if she values her physical and mental health.

She can and should outsource (through some combo of nanny, housekeeper, meal service, cleaning lady, whatever -- not saying to get all, just find coverage) for all deep cleaning, all laundry, grocery shopping, and also "dinner" during the week (so someone else meal plans, shops for, and prepares weeknight dinners).

I mean, it's not like OP is lazy -- she's working into the night at a demanding job, spending time with her kids, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

Right. Which is why I say—if you know someone who will do it, tell me now. Because it IS ultimately expensive, because you have to “over hire” on hours to fill the job.

I need 15 hours a week of childcare (one hour in the morning 2 in the afternoon) but I have to hire a full time person to get the care I need because no one will accept a split schedule and also no one will take a 5 hr/week morning job or a 10 hr/week afternoon job. I really doubt it’s any easier to find a housekeeper willing to do quirky very part time work.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

Care.com

Put in an ad that you are looking for a housekeeper to do daily light cleaning, laundry, groceries/errands, and food prep 3-4 hours/day 4 days/week. Exact hours are flexible. Paid holidays and 2 weeks paid vacation. Housekeeping experience required. Must be comfortable cooking.
(The fifth day you order takeout or cook on your own).
Then negotiate a rate between $20-25/hr. This is ~$12k/yr in the low end and ~$20k/yr on the high end.

You will get many candidates (at least in normal times...things are kind of wonky right now).

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

Right. Which is why I say—if you know someone who will do it, tell me now. Because it IS ultimately expensive, because you have to “over hire” on hours to fill the job.

I need 15 hours a week of childcare (one hour in the morning 2 in the afternoon) but I have to hire a full time person to get the care I need because no one will accept a split schedule and also no one will take a 5 hr/week morning job or a 10 hr/week afternoon job. I really doubt it’s any easier to find a housekeeper willing to do quirky very part time work.

It’s much much easier. Because you aren’t looking for exact hours or a split schedule.
You can hire a former SAHM who comes over after she gets her own kids off to school and gets home in time to get them off the bus. And then if a child is sick, she takes that day off and comes a different day that week. It’s very different than needing someone to commit to being there at 7:30 every morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

Care.com

Put in an ad that you are looking for a housekeeper to do daily light cleaning, laundry, groceries/errands, and food prep 3-4 hours/day 4 days/week. Exact hours are flexible. Paid holidays and 2 weeks paid vacation. Housekeeping experience required. Must be comfortable cooking.
(The fifth day you order takeout or cook on your own).
Then negotiate a rate between $20-25/hr. This is ~$12k/yr in the low end and ~$20k/yr on the high end.

You will get many candidates (at least in normal times...things are kind of wonky right now).

But the hours aren’t flexible, this is a very undesirable dinner/post-dinner time slot. And you’ve already moved the ball from daily help to only half the week!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

Right. Which is why I say—if you know someone who will do it, tell me now. Because it IS ultimately expensive, because you have to “over hire” on hours to fill the job.

I need 15 hours a week of childcare (one hour in the morning 2 in the afternoon) but I have to hire a full time person to get the care I need because no one will accept a split schedule and also no one will take a 5 hr/week morning job or a 10 hr/week afternoon job. I really doubt it’s any easier to find a housekeeper willing to do quirky very part time work.

It’s much much easier. Because you aren’t looking for exact hours or a split schedule.
You can hire a former SAHM who comes over after she gets her own kids off to school and gets home in time to get them off the bus. And then if a child is sick, she takes that day off and comes a different day that week. It’s very different than needing someone to commit to being there at 7:30 every morning.

How would a SAHM coming for a couple hours midday clean up post dinner?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

(I mean 2-3 hours/day).

I have done this twice. Both times, the people I have hired were with us for years. The first we had to let go because we were making a cross country move. The second is still with us.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of you outsources must not be saving very much money! We net about 55k a month after taxes and retirement, etc. which is about where I assume the OP shakes out. I wouldn't dream of thinking we are too rich to clean up after ourselves! I can't believe people are telling her to hire a housekeeper so she doesn't have to do her own dishes or clean up the crumbs after dinner. That's some Kardashian level shit imo.

And if I was going to splurge, I'd much rather splash out on an amazing once-in-a-lifetime bucket list level trip for the whole family for the kind of money ya'll are spending on housekeepers. Something you can EASILY do on your own. Takes 15/20 minutes to wipe down the counters, load the dishwasher, pack food away, and sweep the floor.

If you make 1-2M a year or more? Than yeah sure outsource away. But 750k with 2 kids in private and college to pay for someday is not rich enough for that type of lifestyle.

This. There's a reason people making this much money are making this much money...it's because they're not idiots who would pay 150k+ a year for someone to clean up their dinner dishes.

No one is going to pay you a doctor’s salary to clean their dinner dishes. It’s a part time job, and not a highly paid one. At most, you might get $30k/yr, but it’s probably going to be half that.

If you know someone who will do things for $15k/yr give me their email address. Seriously.

The problem with part-time help is that it's hard to find and keep, not that it's expensive. 2-3 hrs/week for someone to make dinner, clean, and fold laundry is going to run just about $15,000/year. But you have to look to find the person who wants that kind of job and will stay in in for more than a few months.

Right. Which is why I say—if you know someone who will do it, tell me now. Because it IS ultimately expensive, because you have to “over hire” on hours to fill the job.

I need 15 hours a week of childcare (one hour in the morning 2 in the afternoon) but I have to hire a full time person to get the care I need because no one will accept a split schedule and also no one will take a 5 hr/week morning job or a 10 hr/week afternoon job. I really doubt it’s any easier to find a housekeeper willing to do quirky very part time work.

It’s much much easier. Because you aren’t looking for exact hours or a split schedule.
You can hire a former SAHM who comes over after she gets her own kids off to school and gets home in time to get them off the bus. And then if a child is sick, she takes that day off and comes a different day that week. It’s very different than needing someone to commit to being there at 7:30 every morning.

How would a SAHM coming for a couple hours midday clean up post dinner?

Well, she isn’t a SAHM anymore because I pay her to work. But she makes dinner, puts it in the fridge, and leaves the kitchen clean. I guess that you are right that after dinner, we do have to put our own plates and forks in the dishwasher. But otherwise, I just put the serving dishes back in the fridge, and she packs up leftovers and cleans the pans the next day.