How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Well then, I guess McConnell needs to cut his losses and begin legislating over in the senate. The House and Senate can get together and get a bipartisan bill that could sustain a veto override. WTF does Trunp/Putin have over McConnell that makes him so afraid to go against the Don?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Let's not be an enabler. No wall.

NARCS never learn! They never learn!

They are childlike and have tantrums, which is what we've seen again and again. Give him the damn money and let's move along.

No. Don’t give in to the toddler. He can tantrum all he wants. But don’t be an ENABLER.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Well then, I guess McConnell needs to cut his losses and begin legislating over in the senate. The House and Senate can get together and get a bipartisan bill that could sustain a veto override. WTF does Trunp/Putin have over McConnell that makes him so afraid to go against the Don?

with the assumption that the House and Senate have reps who aren't narcs themselves and therefore, flexible and willing to bend a bit to the right and left

I think most people are fearful, especially in this situation. We elect people who represent our needs and rely upon them to speak on our behalf. But as many climb, they become self-serving, entering preservation mode. Have you seen their salaries? Granted, they can't compete with Bezos. still . . . Pelosi will now earn over $200K, which is about $30K more than she was receiving before the move up. She's worth MILLIONS, however.

These people don't feel financially strapped. So while they can talk the talk in public, I don't trust that they are compassionate and feisty enough to support their constituents behind closed doors.

Maybe I'm too tainted. But if you look at most organizations with bloated bureaucracies, you'll see a lot of fat at the top preserving status quo. One example is the school system. Having worked at the central office level, I heard talking but never saw true action - and this from people making close to $200K. Why rock the boat when it could affect your position?

I am tainted - but for a good reason, as I think we're doomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Well then, I guess McConnell needs to cut his losses and begin legislating over in the senate. The House and Senate can get together and get a bipartisan bill that could sustain a veto override. WTF does Trunp/Putin have over McConnell that makes him so afraid to go against the Don?

with the assumption that the House and Senate have reps who aren't narcs themselves and therefore, flexible and willing to bend a bit to the right and left

I think most people are fearful, especially in this situation. We elect people who represent our needs and rely upon them to speak on our behalf. But as many climb, they become self-serving, entering preservation mode. Have you seen their salaries? Granted, they can't compete with Bezos. still . . . Pelosi will now earn over $200K, which is about $30K more than she was receiving before the move up. She's worth MILLIONS, however.

These people don't feel financially strapped. So while they can talk the talk in public, I don't trust that they are compassionate and feisty enough to support their constituents behind closed doors.

Maybe I'm too tainted. But if you look at most organizations with bloated bureaucracies, you'll see a lot of fat at the top preserving status quo. One example is the school system. Having worked at the central office level, I heard talking but never saw true action - and this from people making close to $200K. Why rock the boat when it could affect your position?

I am tainted - but for a good reason, as I think we're doomed.

you mean "jaded," I think; but I get your point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's going to end next week.

he's will cave and spin it as a win

+1. Next week. Dems will come up with some smaller amount for "border security" while saying it's not for a wall, Trump will cave, declare victory, and the great unwashed will believe his tweets.

Dems will hold to their initial proposals. They now have power and will wield it. There is zero incentive for them to give a penny more.

There’s also zero incentive for Trump to modify his position.

I disagree. He has already given the democrats enough sound bytes to sustain them through the 2020 election. His initial thought process was that most feds are dems so here’s a way to stick it to them without hurting his base. If hexhas a single brain cell left, he is starting to realize that the shutdown affects everyone eventually. People have to fly places and feel safe. People want their tax refunds as well as help preparing their taxes. Farmers want their subsidies. His base relies on “handouts” more than he knows. Vacations are being cancelled.

This shutdown becomes more far-reaching with every passing day.

Not to mention the fact that a concrete wall across the entire border is not physically possible. The use of eminent domain to acquire the land will forever rob the republicans of claiming to be the “party of small government.” Trump already put the final nail in the “party of Christian/Family values” title. What will they have left?

[Anonymous]

I need a PIN to file my taxes due to identity theft. It isually shows up by New Year.....not this time. I also read that SNAP can’t fulfill its February benefits if this continues. Of course, Trumps base will probably like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Well then, I guess McConnell needs to cut his losses and begin legislating over in the senate. The House and Senate can get together and get a bipartisan bill that could sustain a veto override. WTF does Trunp/Putin have over McConnell that makes him so afraid to go against the Don?

with the assumption that the House and Senate have reps who aren't narcs themselves and therefore, flexible and willing to bend a bit to the right and left

I think most people are fearful, especially in this situation. We elect people who represent our needs and rely upon them to speak on our behalf. But as many climb, they become self-serving, entering preservation mode. Have you seen their salaries? Granted, they can't compete with Bezos. still . . . Pelosi will now earn over $200K, which is about $30K more than she was receiving before the move up. She's worth MILLIONS, however.

These people don't feel financially strapped. So while they can talk the talk in public, I don't trust that they are compassionate and feisty enough to support their constituents behind closed doors.

Maybe I'm too tainted. But if you look at most organizations with bloated bureaucracies, you'll see a lot of fat at the top preserving status quo. One example is the school system. Having worked at the central office level, I heard talking but never saw true action - and this from people making close to $200K. Why rock the boat when it could affect your position?

I am tainted - but for a good reason, as I think we're doomed.

you mean "jaded," I think; but I get your point.

yes, much more appropriate

But on a Freudian level I must be feeling contaminated!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
it's going to end next week.


he's will cave and spin it as a win


+1. Next week. Dems will come up with some smaller amount for "border security" while saying it's not for a wall, Trump will cave, declare victory, and the great unwashed will believe his tweets.


Dems will hold to their initial proposals. They now have power and will wield it. There is zero incentive for them to give a penny more.


There’s also zero incentive for Trump to modify his position.


I disagree. He has already given the democrats enough sound bytes to sustain them through the 2020 election. His initial thought process was that most feds are dems so here’s a way to stick it to them without hurting his base. If hexhas a single brain cell left, he is starting to realize that the shutdown affects everyone eventually. People have to fly places and feel safe. People want their tax refunds as well as help preparing their taxes. Farmers want their subsidies. His base relies on “handouts” more than he knows. Vacations are being cancelled.

This shutdown becomes more far-reaching with every passing day.

Not to mention the fact that a concrete wall across the entire border is not physically possible. The use of eminent domain to acquire the land will forever rob the republicans of claiming to be the “party of small government.” Trump already put the final nail in the “party of Christian/Family values” title. What will they have left?

This. Trump is just now starting to realize this. It takes him a while to figure things out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
it's going to end next week.


he's will cave and spin it as a win


+1. Next week. Dems will come up with some smaller amount for "border security" while saying it's not for a wall, Trump will cave, declare victory, and the great unwashed will believe his tweets.


Dems will hold to their initial proposals. They now have power and will wield it. There is zero incentive for them to give a penny more.


There’s also zero incentive for Trump to modify his position.


I disagree. He has already given the democrats enough sound bytes to sustain them through the 2020 election. His initial thought process was that most feds are dems so here’s a way to stick it to them without hurting his base. If hexhas a single brain cell left, he is starting to realize that the shutdown affects everyone eventually. People have to fly places and feel safe. People want their tax refunds as well as help preparing their taxes. Farmers want their subsidies. His base relies on “handouts” more than he knows. Vacations are being cancelled.

This shutdown becomes more far-reaching with every passing day.

Not to mention the fact that a concrete wall across the entire border is not physically possible. The use of eminent domain to acquire the land will forever rob the republicans of claiming to be the “party of small government.” Trump already put the final nail in the “party of Christian/Family values” title. What will they have left?

This. Trump is just now starting to realize this. It takes him a while to figure things out.

Amen. Critical thinking skills seem to have eluded this administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I need a PIN to file my taxes due to identity theft. It isually shows up by New Year.....not this time. I also read that SNAP can’t fulfill its February benefits if this continues. Of course, Trumps base will probably like that.

I think more of Trump’s base is dependent on federal money than you realize.

[Anonymous]

Keep your gubmint hands off Medicare!

I think more of Trump’s base is dependent on gov’t money than THEY realize

[Anonymous]

I'm seeing a lot of facebook posts from friends who have essential federal government positions working without pay. They are pissed. And rightfully so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot of facebook posts from friends who have essential federal government positions working without pay. They are pissed. And rightfully so.

But Trump isn't personally hurt by any of this. He doesn't care that federal government employees aren't paid. He thinks they're all Democrats. He continues on cozy in the White House while an entourage of unpaid workers cater to his every whim.

[Anonymous]

I truly don’t give a shit if we build a wall or not. And I’m just not that loved by protecting dreamers. Address my student loans & I’ll follow you anywhere.
Love,
A dem & spouse of shutdown contractor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Let's not be an enabler. No wall.

NARCS never learn! They never learn!

They are childlike and have tantrums, which is what we've seen again and again. Give him the damn money and let's move along.

No. Don’t give in to the toddler. He can tantrum all he wants. But don’t be an ENABLER.

Trump is having a tantrum. McConnell is the dad who is “working late” but really out having drinks with his pals. Fortunately mom knows what to do.