Magruder HS Shooting

[Anonymous]

This whole idea of not tipping off the shooter does not make sense because when they went into lock-down, the principal made an announcement through the speaker and he sounded panicked so the students knew it was not a drill. At no point prior to arresting the shooter were the students notified that there was not a shooter with them. The students ended up being scared but with no one guiding them out a classroom at a time with hands up and belongings left behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



I predict this mess is going to lead to a re-evaluation of the active shooter plans on the part of law enforcement and school admin response.

So you think the current plan doesn't call for getting potential victims to safety asap?

Do your own eyes deceive you, my friend? No. The current plan is to neutralize the shooter first. They couldn't even follow that. Failure on all fronts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



I predict this mess is going to lead to a re-evaluation of the active shooter plans on the part of law enforcement and school admin response.

So you think the current plan doesn't call for getting potential victims to safety asap?

Do your own eyes deceive you, my friend? No. The current plan is to neutralize the shooter first. They couldn't even follow that. Failure on all fronts.

That would be the plan if there was active shooting occurring, which doesn’t seem to be the case. (Source: LEO spouse)

[Anonymous]

Has a name been released of the shooter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Magruder teacher if anyone has any questions. Kids were very good during the lockdown. Staff were pretty positive. All of us are new to this so it is hard to process it. Felt like a normal day. Lockdown was relaxed with most students just on phones. The worst part by far was not being able to use the restroom.

I agree that communication sucked. They wouldnt even tell us any details even though it’s all over the news/Twitter.

I'm sorry you had to experience this.
Can you confirm:
so no food, drink or bathrooms.
and held an additional hour to wait for the super.
and suspect was among the student body for 2 hours before apprehended (when parents? thought the threat was over)? Did you realize shooter was still at the school?

We were on lockdown. Police wouldn’t let us leave rooms for any reason. School was treated as a crime scene basically, so no one could leave rooms. No food or drink except for what kids had on them. It’s not like the cafeteria was open or anything.

We were not given any details or updates while in the building regarding events going on. Except for a photo sent out asking if that person was in anyone’s room. Not sure if that person was directly involved or not. No information about ongoing threats, suspect in a room. The issue was first treated as a health issue when the boy was found and ambulances were called. The school was put on lockdown to allow ambulance personnel to arrive. The first thought is that he injured himself intentionally but there was no knife. Then there was the realization that it must be a gunshot when the ambulance crew determined the injury, but no gun was found. So obviously there must be another student involved. It took time to ID the student, determine location and make a plan to remove student from the classroom safely. That explains the two hours of time needed before the suspect was apprehended and the lack of communication so that no one was tipped off.

Once he was apprehended, evidence collected , and they made sure no one was involved then the moved to securing the building and removing students. At that point there were 35 police cars and overhead news chopper and the local inspections had been closed backing up all the traffic. Obviously McKnight and others didn’t have a helicopter to arrive on site. Traffic was backed up for miles. Kids could leave in until buses arrived which is also when the McKnight and other staff were finally able arrive. There was not conspiracy or anything. Just traffic. Staff stayed until almost 7pm when we had a short meeting with no details given except a reference to “health emergency” and introductions to the the county staff in charge of things going forward. They asked us not to give interviews.

Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough response after what must have been a horrendous day.
You must have been a source of calm for you students.
Again, I'm really sorry for that this is happening so often in this country.

This is a bit too detailed for a teacher. Was that exactly 35 police cars? How do they know? Who told them?

This does not read as a first hand account at all. Just more MCPS propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole idea of not tipping off the shooter does not make sense because when they went into lock-down, the principal made an announcement through the speaker and he sounded panicked so the students knew it was not a drill. At no point prior to arresting the shooter were the students notified that there was not a shooter with them. The students ended up being scared but with no one guiding them out a classroom at a time with hands up and belongings left behind.

It’s just more MCPS lying. It’s literally all they know how to do. They just lie and lie and lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a HUGE difference between "the coast is clear" and "we are working to evaluate the situation. "

Lying to thousands of students, staff and parents is a disaster!

PP again. Why a disaster? Everyone remained safe and calm. The outcome might have been different if details were released. Parents would’ve raced to the school, the kids would be in a panic, the suspect would’ve been tipped off snd perhaps his arrest would’ve been very difficult with more people injured.

That lie could have resulted in deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



I predict this mess is going to lead to a re-evaluation of the active shooter plans on the part of law enforcement and school admin response.

So you think the current plan doesn't call for getting potential victims to safety asap?

Do your own eyes deceive you, my friend? No. The current plan is to neutralize the shooter first. They couldn't even follow that. Failure on all fronts.

That would be the plan if there was active shooting occurring, which doesn’t seem to be the case. (Source: LEO spouse)

With respect, what part of "shooter still armed, in the building, and in a room full of students" does not have the potential to become an active shooter situation in a split second?!?!!?!?!?!

The WaPo article about this downplays it too, and describes it like you did.

But this is completely wrong. We're all lucky this person didn't shoot anyone else. How would everyone feel tonight if the student had gone on to shoot multiple other people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. I’d like to see any of you try to find a shooter in a school, communicate with parents, feed everyone and let them use bathrooms and find ways home for everyone.

I think you all forgot that educators should NOT have to deal with guns in the first place! The fact everyone thinks THAT is normal is mega effed up. Celebrities have to travel with wound dressing kits in case they are shot.

This is not normal.

Guns usage like ours in the US is not normal.

What the hell are you talking about? They were under lockdown. The issue is how long it took them to release the students from lockdown and why they had to wait until after the press conference that McKnight was 1 hour late for, which delayed the kids release by 1 hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Magruder teacher if anyone has any questions. Kids were very good during the lockdown. Staff were pretty positive. All of us are new to this so it is hard to process it. Felt like a normal day. Lockdown was relaxed with most students just on phones. The worst part by far was not being able to use the restroom.

I agree that communication sucked. They wouldnt even tell us any details even though it’s all over the news/Twitter.

I'm sorry you had to experience this.
Can you confirm:
so no food, drink or bathrooms.
and held an additional hour to wait for the super.
and suspect was among the student body for 2 hours before apprehended (when parents? thought the threat was over)? Did you realize shooter was still at the school?

We were on lockdown. Police wouldn’t let us leave rooms for any reason. School was treated as a crime scene basically, so no one could leave rooms. No food or drink except for what kids had on them. It’s not like the cafeteria was open or anything.

We were not given any details or updates while in the building regarding events going on. Except for a photo sent out asking if that person was in anyone’s room. Not sure if that person was directly involved or not. No information about ongoing threats, suspect in a room. The issue was first treated as a health issue when the boy was found and ambulances were called. The school was put on lockdown to allow ambulance personnel to arrive. The first thought is that he injured himself intentionally but there was no knife. Then there was the realization that it must be a gunshot when the ambulance crew determined the injury, but no gun was found. So obviously there must be another student involved. It took time to ID the student, determine location and make a plan to remove student from the classroom safely. That explains the two hours of time needed before the suspect was apprehended and the lack of communication so that no one was tipped off.

Once he was apprehended, evidence collected , and they made sure no one was involved then the moved to securing the building and removing students. At that point there were 35 police cars and overhead news chopper and the local inspections had been closed backing up all the traffic. Obviously McKnight and others didn’t have a helicopter to arrive on site. Traffic was backed up for miles. Kids could leave in until buses arrived which is also when the McKnight and other staff were finally able arrive. There was not conspiracy or anything. Just traffic. Staff stayed until almost 7pm when we had a short meeting with no details given except a reference to “health emergency” and introductions to the the county staff in charge of things going forward. They asked us not to give interviews.

Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough response after what must have been a horrendous day.
You must have been a source of calm for you students.
Again, I'm really sorry for that this is happening so often in this country.

This is a bit too detailed for a teacher. Was that exactly 35 police cars? How do they know? Who told them?

This does not read as a first hand account at all. Just more MCPS propaganda.

It’s sad that your first assumption is conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Magruder teacher if anyone has any questions. Kids were very good during the lockdown. Staff were pretty positive. All of us are new to this so it is hard to process it. Felt like a normal day. Lockdown was relaxed with most students just on phones. The worst part by far was not being able to use the restroom.

I agree that communication sucked. They wouldnt even tell us any details even though it’s all over the news/Twitter.

I'm sorry you had to experience this.
Can you confirm:
so no food, drink or bathrooms.
and held an additional hour to wait for the super.
and suspect was among the student body for 2 hours before apprehended (when parents? thought the threat was over)? Did you realize shooter was still at the school?

We were on lockdown. Police wouldn’t let us leave rooms for any reason. School was treated as a crime scene basically, so no one could leave rooms. No food or drink except for what kids had on them. It’s not like the cafeteria was open or anything.

We were not given any details or updates while in the building regarding events going on. Except for a photo sent out asking if that person was in anyone’s room. Not sure if that person was directly involved or not. No information about ongoing threats, suspect in a room. The issue was first treated as a health issue when the boy was found and ambulances were called. The school was put on lockdown to allow ambulance personnel to arrive. The first thought is that he injured himself intentionally but there was no knife. Then there was the realization that it must be a gunshot when the ambulance crew determined the injury, but no gun was found. So obviously there must be another student involved. It took time to ID the student, determine location and make a plan to remove student from the classroom safely. That explains the two hours of time needed before the suspect was apprehended and the lack of communication so that no one was tipped off.

Once he was apprehended, evidence collected , and they made sure no one was involved then the moved to securing the building and removing students. At that point there were 35 police cars and overhead news chopper and the local inspections had been closed backing up all the traffic. Obviously McKnight and others didn’t have a helicopter to arrive on site. Traffic was backed up for miles. Kids could leave in until buses arrived which is also when the McKnight and other staff were finally able arrive. There was not conspiracy or anything. Just traffic. Staff stayed until almost 7pm when we had a short meeting with no details given except a reference to “health emergency” and introductions to the the county staff in charge of things going forward. They asked us not to give interviews.

Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough response after what must have been a horrendous day.
You must have been a source of calm for you students.
Again, I'm really sorry for that this is happening so often in this country.

This is a bit too detailed for a teacher. Was that exactly 35 police cars? How do they know? Who told them?

This does not read as a first hand account at all. Just more MCPS propaganda.

It’s sad that your first assumption is conspiracy.

Not PP you were replying to, but in this age of social media, you can't ever trust what you read online. I am quite sure that there are a few MCPS hacks on this site, but the teacher poster appeared sincere enough - maybe she added info with what she gleaned later, who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are people getting the info that Dr. McKnight is the reason kids were kept on lockdown? I did not see this anywhere but dcum. It can’t be true.

Why do you MCPS people lie so much?

The letter from the Dr. Evans announced that kids would begin to be released at 5, which was conveniently after the scheduled 4:45 press conference. As the press conference was delayed, the kids were still held in the school and the last ones were being released at 6:30 or so.

Unconscionable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has a name been released of the shooter?

Not yet. Just says he is a 17 year old student: https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=39898

[Anonymous]

The biggest problem we're facing now, people, is that MCPS and law enforcement will seek to sweep all failures under the rug.

What you all need to do is contact Elrich and the Council's office, and demand a third party investigation, with the goal of analyzing what went wrong, why the delays, and what could be improved for next time. Because there will be a next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Magruder teacher if anyone has any questions. Kids were very good during the lockdown. Staff were pretty positive. All of us are new to this so it is hard to process it. Felt like a normal day. Lockdown was relaxed with most students just on phones. The worst part by far was not being able to use the restroom.

I agree that communication sucked. They wouldnt even tell us any details even though it’s all over the news/Twitter.

I'm sorry you had to experience this.
Can you confirm:
so no food, drink or bathrooms.
and held an additional hour to wait for the super.
and suspect was among the student body for 2 hours before apprehended (when parents? thought the threat was over)? Did you realize shooter was still at the school?

We were on lockdown. Police wouldn’t let us leave rooms for any reason. School was treated as a crime scene basically, so no one could leave rooms. No food or drink except for what kids had on them. It’s not like the cafeteria was open or anything.

We were not given any details or updates while in the building regarding events going on. Except for a photo sent out asking if that person was in anyone’s room. Not sure if that person was directly involved or not. No information about ongoing threats, suspect in a room. The issue was first treated as a health issue when the boy was found and ambulances were called. The school was put on lockdown to allow ambulance personnel to arrive. The first thought is that he injured himself intentionally but there was no knife. Then there was the realization that it must be a gunshot when the ambulance crew determined the injury, but no gun was found. So obviously there must be another student involved. It took time to ID the student, determine location and make a plan to remove student from the classroom safely. That explains the two hours of time needed before the suspect was apprehended and the lack of communication so that no one was tipped off.

Once he was apprehended, evidence collected , and they made sure no one was involved then the moved to securing the building and removing students. At that point there were 35 police cars and overhead news chopper and the local inspections had been closed backing up all the traffic. Obviously McKnight and others didn’t have a helicopter to arrive on site. Traffic was backed up for miles. Kids could leave in until buses arrived which is also when the McKnight and other staff were finally able arrive. There was not conspiracy or anything. Just traffic. Staff stayed until almost 7pm when we had a short meeting with no details given except a reference to “health emergency” and introductions to the the county staff in charge of things going forward. They asked us not to give interviews.

Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough response after what must have been a horrendous day.
You must have been a source of calm for you students.
Again, I'm really sorry for that this is happening so often in this country.

This is a bit too detailed for a teacher. Was that exactly 35 police cars? How do they know? Who told them?

This does not read as a first hand account at all. Just more MCPS propaganda.

It’s sad that your first assumption is conspiracy.

Not PP you were replying to, but in this age of social media, you can't ever trust what you read online. I am quite sure that there are a few MCPS hacks on this site, but the teacher poster appeared sincere enough - maybe she added info with what she gleaned later, who knows.

They wrote: “That explains the two hours of time needed before the suspect was apprehended and the lack of communication so that no one was tipped off.”

That’s an excuse for MCPS. Not a first hand account of what happened from someone that was present.