Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

[Anonymous]

I find this case highly suspicious but we're only getting bits and pieces of information. Maybe the parents will release the whole file at some point, if they're able to.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t get past a few things-

- no defensive wounds
-Many of the wounds were very shallow and small, which strikes me a strange
- no apparent traces of blood on fiancé (bloody clothing, shoes, footprints, etc)
- only victim’s DNA on knives
- I don’t think that suicide is out of the question considering her mental health
- was the fiancé really smart and resourceful enough to come up with this entire story in a matter of about an hour?

I always think it’s the husband/boyfriend/fiancé but this case really confounds me.

We might have had more answers if her death had been ruled Undetermined and thoroughly investigated back when she died.

Not possible to answer all, but here's a few:

If initially stabbed from behind (say, while making her salad) might have been too incapacitated to fight back and incur defensive wounds. One severed her spinal cord. For someone who's not an experienced killer, not that weird to have a mix of shallow and deep wounds especially if she was twisting away. The reconstruction of the stab wounds and the angles required to achieve them suggest unlikely if not impossible to have been self-inflicted. Is there any record of a suicide case where someone has stabbed themselves *from behind*??
We don't know much about the knife testing, but it'a not that hard to wipe the handle clean and wrap her hand around it. There was some evidence of staging. He had clothes in the wash, definitely could have changed and concealed any incriminating clothes that way. The police didn't even properly process the scene, it was fully sanitized within a day.
The mental health question is an open one, but her therapist didn't think she displayed any signs. She did not search for suicide on her laptop.
What entire story? Being out of the apartment for only 30ish minutes, "at the gym" while wearing boots, then saying she "fell on a knife" before quickly changing it to she killed herself... His well-connected uncle then swiftly swooped in to assist him.

Agree with your last point 1000%.

I have seen no credible evidence that his uncle was well connected. Connected to who?

Really, it's easy to look up: Uncle is a prominent figure in Pennsylvania legal circles. He has served as a judge on the Pennsylvania Court of Judicial Discipline, was President Judge of that court, and formerly chaired or been involved with judicial conduct boards and ethics review in Pennsylvania.

So what?? I’m also in PA legal circles, as are hundreds of other people. He is not very prominent, I can assure you. So you think judges and ethical boards made his nephew’s murder go away?! Come on, you watch too much tv

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

The fact that half of the stab wounds were to the back of her head and neck, including severing her spinal cord, would lead most people to be skeptical of the suicide ruling. She also had older bruises that were in the process of healing. She was seeing a therapist for anxiety, and her therapist stated she never expressed suicidal ideation. She told her parents she wanted to move home; the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she tries to leave.

There was absolutely no evidence of DA. The therapist also said that Ellen lit up when talking about her fiance and had only glowing things to say about him and the support he provided to her

The 30-something bruises all over her body in various stages of healing are direct evidence of DA. Consider yourself lucky that you haven’t had enough experience with abuse to be naive enough to think that if she didn’t mention it to a therapist she saw three times, there was no abuse. Abuse victims work very hard to make everything seem fine. It doesn’t surprise me at all to hear she said glowing things about him to her therapist. Victims try to rationalize things to protect themselves. How people still don’t understand this is beyond me.

She told her parents she wanted to move home. The most dangerous time in a DA relationship is when you try to leave. That poor woman was abused and murdered. Continue to bury your head in the sand if that makes you feel better, but it doesn’t change what plainly happened.

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I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

[Anonymous]

NP. I watched doc and then fell down a Reddit hole. I don’t think he murdered her. It’s a weird case for sure, but it’s clear by the tapes of the building that he was outside the door and broke it down to get in to find her bleeding. She had been depressed, acting insane, and on new meds. There was no evidence of any history of DA with the finance, she was seeing a psychiatrist, was close with her friends and family, etc. They recovered her computer searches and their phone texts. Nothing. But there were searches found on how to commit suicide, and her supervisor at work said that very day that she was ‘crazy’ and seemed to be having a breakdown.

Fiancés dna was not found on the murder weapon, but her dna was. There were no defensive wounds. There were hesitation marks though.

His family isn’t powerful.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t get past a few things-

- no defensive wounds
-Many of the wounds were very shallow and small, which strikes me a strange
- no apparent traces of blood on fiancé (bloody clothing, shoes, footprints, etc)
- only victim’s DNA on knives
- I don’t think that suicide is out of the question considering her mental health
- was the fiancé really smart and resourceful enough to come up with this entire story in a matter of about an hour?

I always think it’s the husband/boyfriend/fiancé but this case really confounds me.

We might have had more answers if her death had been ruled Undetermined and thoroughly investigated back when she died.

Not possible to answer all, but here's a few:

If initially stabbed from behind (say, while making her salad) might have been too incapacitated to fight back and incur defensive wounds. One severed her spinal cord. For someone who's not an experienced killer, not that weird to have a mix of shallow and deep wounds especially if she was twisting away. The reconstruction of the stab wounds and the angles required to achieve them suggest unlikely if not impossible to have been self-inflicted. Is there any record of a suicide case where someone has stabbed themselves *from behind*??
We don't know much about the knife testing, but it'a not that hard to wipe the handle clean and wrap her hand around it. There was some evidence of staging. He had clothes in the wash, definitely could have changed and concealed any incriminating clothes that way. The police didn't even properly process the scene, it was fully sanitized within a day.
The mental health question is an open one, but her therapist didn't think she displayed any signs. She did not search for suicide on her laptop.
What entire story? Being out of the apartment for only 30ish minutes, "at the gym" while wearing boots, then saying she "fell on a knife" before quickly changing it to she killed herself... His well-connected uncle then swiftly swooped in to assist him.

Agree with your last point 1000%.

I have seen no credible evidence that his uncle was well connected. Connected to who?

Really, it's easy to look up: Uncle is a prominent figure in Pennsylvania legal circles. He has served as a judge on the Pennsylvania Court of Judicial Discipline, was President Judge of that court, and formerly chaired or been involved with judicial conduct boards and ethics review in Pennsylvania.

So what?? I’m also in PA legal circles, as are hundreds of other people. He is not very prominent, I can assure you. So you think judges and ethical boards made his nephew’s murder go away?! Come on, you watch too much tv

Totally agree. There are some very conspiracy minded people on here. It’s a strange case, but it’s clear she committed suicide. Yet another ME concluded this

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I watched doc and then fell down a Reddit hole. I don’t think he murdered her. It’s a weird case for sure, but it’s clear by the tapes of the building that he was outside the door and broke it down to get in to find her bleeding. She had been depressed, acting insane, and on new meds. There was no evidence of any history of DA with the finance, she was seeing a psychiatrist, was close with her friends and family, etc. They recovered her computer searches and their phone texts. Nothing. But there were searches found on how to commit suicide, and her supervisor at work said that very day that she was ‘crazy’ and seemed to be having a breakdown.

Fiancés dna was not found on the murder weapon, but her dna was. There were no defensive wounds. There were hesitation marks though.

His family isn’t powerful.

You didn’t watch the doc very closely.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I watched doc and then fell down a Reddit hole. I don’t think he murdered her. It’s a weird case for sure, but it’s clear by the tapes of the building that he was outside the door and broke it down to get in to find her bleeding. She had been depressed, acting insane, and on new meds. There was no evidence of any history of DA with the finance, she was seeing a psychiatrist, was close with her friends and family, etc. They recovered her computer searches and their phone texts. Nothing. But there were searches found on how to commit suicide, and her supervisor at work said that very day that she was ‘crazy’ and seemed to be having a breakdown.

Fiancés dna was not found on the murder weapon, but her dna was. There were no defensive wounds. There were hesitation marks though.

His family isn’t powerful.

You didn’t watch the doc very closely.

Yes, I did. Including that there was some misleading info being promoted by her family. They’re obviously having a hard time accepting that their daughter took her own life

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

I probably have 30 bruises on my body in various stages of healing. I’m very active and a little clumsy, I’m not a DA victim.

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/13/us/ellen-greenberg-death-philadelphia-cec

The family sued everyone and re opened the investigation and again, a new ME determined it to be a suicide. In a 32 page report.

The previous ME who changed his assessment from suicide to ‘something other than suicide’ did so after the family sued him too.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

It’s humorous how wrong you are. Based on the autopsy, the ME originally determined it was a homicide. He changed it after a closed door meeting with various law enforcement. Look, in the realm of anything being possible, could she have killed herself, sure? But look at her manner of death. You really want people to buy that she managed to stab herself in the back of the head and neck 20 times? Some of those after severing her spinal cord? Her injuries here are what point to murder.