Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

I probably have 30 bruises on my body in various stages of healing. I’m very active and a little clumsy, I’m not a DA victim.

Just because you’re bizarre doesn’t mean that’s the stick you should use to measure against other reasonable people.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I watched doc and then fell down a Reddit hole. I don’t think he murdered her. It’s a weird case for sure, but it’s clear by the tapes of the building that he was outside the door and broke it down to get in to find her bleeding. She had been depressed, acting insane, and on new meds. There was no evidence of any history of DA with the finance, she was seeing a psychiatrist, was close with her friends and family, etc. They recovered her computer searches and their phone texts. Nothing. But there were searches found on how to commit suicide, and her supervisor at work said that very day that she was ‘crazy’ and seemed to be having a breakdown.

Fiancés dna was not found on the murder weapon, but her dna was. There were no defensive wounds. There were hesitation marks though.

His family isn’t powerful.

Totally agree. This was a bizarre suicide

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

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Extremely common: husbands and boyfriends being the murderer when their wife is found dead

Extremely uncommon: stabbing oneself to death

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

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Anonymous wrote:Extremely common: husbands and boyfriends being the murderer when their wife is found dead

Extremely uncommon: stabbing oneself to death

Actually the #1 cause of death of women (not natural death) is drug OD

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

No, that’s incorrect. The ME originally said it was a homicide. The INVESTIGATORS said it was a suicide on the day it happened. But the person actually looking at her injuries said it was a homicide from the start. Get your facts straight or go away.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Seems like you don’t have your facts straight. Cameras showed him downstairs in the gym, getting in and out of the elevator etc.

He then broke the door down bc it was locked from the inside.

He called 911 right afterwards.

How was the door locked from the inside? Please explain this

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Well that and a 32 page ME report and two police investigations.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Seems like you don’t have your facts straight. Cameras showed him downstairs in the gym, getting in and out of the elevator etc.

He then broke the door down bc it was locked from the inside.

He called 911 right afterwards.

How was the door locked from the inside? Please explain this

He claims he broke the door down. That’s not on video and no one was with him when he did. He called several of his family members before he called 911. Please stop commenting when you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Seems like you don’t have your facts straight. Cameras showed him downstairs in the gym, getting in and out of the elevator etc.

He then broke the door down bc it was locked from the inside.

He called 911 right afterwards.

How was the door locked from the inside? Please explain this

The timeline in question is when she died, which we don’t know other than his word that she was alive when he left. There is nothing other than his statement to corroborate when she died. Her phone didn’t make a call or send a text after he left to go to the gym. The timeline is not when he partook in his insane theatrics. The fact that this is the timeline you’re pointing to shows how clueless you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case.

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice. Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide.

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor.

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline. She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right?

There were no cameras in their actual apartment. And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. The only thing that supports his timeline is his word. I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Seems like you don’t have your facts straight. Cameras showed him downstairs in the gym, getting in and out of the elevator etc.

He then broke the door down bc it was locked from the inside.

He called 911 right afterwards.

How was the door locked from the inside? Please explain this

He claims he broke the door down. That’s not on video and no one was with him when he did. He called several of his family members before he called 911. Please stop commenting when you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.

This. He tried to say the super was with him, but the super admitted he wasn’t.