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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915[/quote]
This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.[/quote]
How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen. [/quote]
The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done. [/quote]

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously. [/quote]
Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.[/quote]

The fact that half of the stab wounds were to the back of her head and neck, including severing her spinal cord, would lead most people to be skeptical of the suicide ruling. She also had older bruises that were in the process of healing. She was seeing a therapist for anxiety, and her therapist stated she never expressed suicidal ideation. She told her parents she wanted to move home; the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she tries to leave.[/quote]

There was absolutely no evidence of DA. The therapist also said that Ellen lit up when talking about her fiance and had only glowing things to say about him and the support he provided to her [/quote]

The 30-something bruises all over her body in various stages of healing are direct evidence of DA. Consider yourself lucky that you haven’t had enough experience with abuse to be naive enough to think that if she didn’t mention it to a therapist she saw three times, there was no abuse. Abuse victims work very hard to make everything seem fine. It doesn’t surprise me at all to hear she said glowing things about him to her therapist. Victims try to rationalize things to protect themselves. How people still don’t understand this is beyond me.

She told her parents she wanted to move home. The most dangerous time in a DA relationship is when you try to leave. That poor woman was abused and murdered. Continue to bury your head in the sand if that makes you feel better, but it doesn’t change what plainly happened. [/quote]

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