Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:edit - WITHIN our borders!

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Anonymous wrote:We have a million less migrants being processed than years before. Also cutting off those three countries will increase migrants.

I don't know how international aid is handled. So who monitors its use on the other end?

If the money we are sending over now is being misused/stolen - padding the pockets of those in charge - it's wasted money that could be used for us, without our borders.

Huh?

I CORRECTED it.

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Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

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Well said.

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I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

Cooperate, Einstein.

At least I know how to spell it.

It obviously was a spelling error and Sniper Mouth over here has to latch onto a spelling error since they lost the argument.

Exactly. The current Congress REFUSES to address this crisis. For that reason, I hope Trump DOES shut the border. If that’s what it takes, so be it.

Democrats prefer business as usual. Why???

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

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I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

a good analysis in Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#2c0c95ef12c4
too many sections to quote, however

the heart of the article:

For purposes of discussion, I am going to focus principally on financing health care for unauthorized immigrants who are uninsured since we know that about 70% of care for America's uninsured is uncompensated, meaning that ultimately it is paid for by society in one way or another.

39% was covered by various federal programs (e.g., disproportionate share payments to hospitals);
23% by state and local governments (e.g., via taxpayer support of state and locally owned hospitals);
12% came in the form of physician charity care covered;
25%--was covered by hospitals (arguably by "cost-shifting" i.e., higher charges to privately insured patients that effectively cross-subsidize care for patients who do not pay full freight etc.). An unknown fraction of this stems from EMTALA--the Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act--a federal law that requires hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of their ability to pay. EMTALA is an example of "taxation by regulation" insofar as the same outcome might have been achieved by using tax dollars to pay hospitals to treat such patients voluntarily.

Thank you for this. If Libs want open borders, THEY should pay for the consequences.

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+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

a good analysis in Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#2c0c95ef12c4
too many sections to quote, however

the heart of the article:

For purposes of discussion, I am going to focus principally on financing health care for unauthorized immigrants who are uninsured since we know that about 70% of care for America's uninsured is uncompensated, meaning that ultimately it is paid for by society in one way or another.

39% was covered by various federal programs (e.g., disproportionate share payments to hospitals);
23% by state and local governments (e.g., via taxpayer support of state and locally owned hospitals);
12% came in the form of physician charity care covered;
25%--was covered by hospitals (arguably by "cost-shifting" i.e., higher charges to privately insured patients that effectively cross-subsidize care for patients who do not pay full freight etc.). An unknown fraction of this stems from EMTALA--the Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act--a federal law that requires hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of their ability to pay. EMTALA is an example of "taxation by regulation" insofar as the same outcome might have been achieved by using tax dollars to pay hospitals to treat such patients voluntarily.

The main problem with those numbers is that health care providers inflate their rates and charge uninsured patients their highest rates, much higher than they charge Medicare, Medicaid, or privately-insured patients. When you see your Explanation of Benefits, and a charge for $2,000 for something was reduced by your insurance Preferred Provider rates to $500, do you ever wonder who is stuck paying $2,000 for something that cost you and your insurer $500?

The $2,000 charge to the uninsured lets them claim that when they ask the federal government to reimburse them for uncompensated care, so even if the federal government only covers 30% of what they claim, that would be $600, more than their PPO rates.

And they don't write off the rest of the $2,000 bill, they try to collect it from the uninsured person. This is how the current idiotic billing system for health care forces people who do not have insurance to either declare bankruptcy or have to pay 3 or 4 times more than insured patients pay for the exact same services.

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Mmmm, when I worked for a non profit we received government funded grants to work with their children. Roughly, 40,000 a child per year. The neighborhood was filled with similar not for profits providing an array of services and funded by public and private Grants.

Where was this?

Working with them on what?

Highly doubt you were helping these kids.

Alternative education. Agree we weren't helping that much. Often thought they'd be better off if simply given the money directly. but these types of not for profits employ lots of people and are a business unto themselves. Tons of money slushes through.

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

a good analysis in Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#2c0c95ef12c4
too many sections to quote, however

the heart of the article:

For purposes of discussion, I am going to focus principally on financing health care for unauthorized immigrants who are uninsured since we know that about 70% of care for America's uninsured is uncompensated, meaning that ultimately it is paid for by society in one way or another.

39% was covered by various federal programs (e.g., disproportionate share payments to hospitals);
23% by state and local governments (e.g., via taxpayer support of state and locally owned hospitals);
12% came in the form of physician charity care covered;
25%--was covered by hospitals (arguably by "cost-shifting" i.e., higher charges to privately insured patients that effectively cross-subsidize care for patients who do not pay full freight etc.). An unknown fraction of this stems from EMTALA--the Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act--a federal law that requires hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of their ability to pay. EMTALA is an example of "taxation by regulation" insofar as the same outcome might have been achieved by using tax dollars to pay hospitals to treat such patients voluntarily.

The main problem with those numbers is that health care providers inflate their rates and charge uninsured patients their highest rates, much higher than they charge Medicare, Medicaid, or privately-insured patients. When you see your Explanation of Benefits, and a charge for $2,000 for something was reduced by your insurance Preferred Provider rates to $500, do you ever wonder who is stuck paying $2,000 for something that cost you and your insurer $500?

The $2,000 charge to the uninsured lets them claim that when they ask the federal government to reimburse them for uncompensated care, so even if the federal government only covers 30% of what they claim, that would be $600, more than their PPO rates.

And they don't write off the rest of the $2,000 bill, they try to collect it from the uninsured person. This is how the current idiotic billing system for health care forces people who do not have insurance to either declare bankruptcy or have to pay 3 or 4 times more than insured patients pay for the exact same services.

Healthcare is so dysfunctional. We need serious reform.

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Mmmm, when I worked for a non profit we received government funded grants to work with their children. Roughly, 40,000 a child per year. The neighborhood was filled with similar not for profits providing an array of services and funded by public and private Grants.

Where was this?

Working with them on what?

Highly doubt you were helping these kids.

Alternative education. Agree we weren't helping that much. Often thought they'd be better off if simply given the money directly. but these types of not for profits employ lots of people and are a business unto themselves. Tons of money slushes through.

I agree with some form of alternative ed, but more progressive measures. Sadly, progressive ed is oftentimes private. Public ed is stagnant and outdated. Even if a wealthy county throws in more resources, these are band aid approaches.

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Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

OMGERD!! INVADERS!!! PANIC!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

OMGERD!! INVADERS!!! PANIC!!!

I guarantee you’re childless and alone.

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Mmmm, when I worked for a non profit we received government funded grants to work with their children. Roughly, 40,000 a child per year. The neighborhood was filled with similar not for profits providing an array of services and funded by public and private Grants.

Where was this?

Working with them on what?

Highly doubt you were helping these kids.

Alternative education. Agree we weren't helping that much. Often thought they'd be better off if simply given the money directly. but these types of not for profits employ lots of people and are a business unto themselves. Tons of money slushes through.

These kids were in regular classrooms and did well. Oldest is in college now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

OMGERD!! INVADERS!!! PANIC!!!

I guarantee you’re childless and alone.

Why? Because I think your fearmongering is funny?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

OMGERD!! INVADERS!!! PANIC!!!

I guarantee you’re childless and alone.

Why? Because I think your fearmongering is funny?

OMG - could you be any more clueless?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps first stop the hemorrhaging of health care dollars to illegal invaders?

No amount of remedies will be enough to cure central and South American invaders.

OMGERD!! INVADERS!!! PANIC!!!

I guarantee you’re childless and alone.

Why? Because I think your fearmongering is funny?

OMG - could you be any more clueless?

Tell us more about the “invaders”. Haha.

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DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.