Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

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Well said.

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I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

Cooperate, Einstein.

At least I know how to spell it.

Grow up, my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

+1,000,000
Well said.

+2,000,000

I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

Cooperate, Einstein.

At least I know how to spell it.

It obviously was a spelling error and Sniper Mouth over here has to latch onto a spelling error since they lost the argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

[Anonymous]

We have a million less migrants being processed than years before. Also cutting off those three countries will increase migrants.

[Anonymous]

The same exact people financially benefit from this situation.

They played this well. You'll are pawns.

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

I don’t know anyone using undocumented people for childcare. Do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

I don’t know anyone using undocumented people for childcare. Do you?

Why would they tell YOU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a million less migrants being processed than years before. Also cutting off those three countries will increase migrants.

I don't know how international aid is handled. So who monitors its use on the other end?

If the money we are sending over now is being misused/stolen - padding the pockets of those in charge - it's wasted money that could be used for us, without our borders.

[Anonymous]

edit - WITHIN our borders!

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Anonymous wrote:We have a million less migrants being processed than years before. Also cutting off those three countries will increase migrants.

I don't know how international aid is handled. So who monitors its use on the other end?

If the money we are sending over now is being misused/stolen - padding the pockets of those in charge - it's wasted money that could be used for us, without our borders.

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

a good analysis in Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#2c0c95ef12c4
too many sections to quote, however

the heart of the article:

For purposes of discussion, I am going to focus principally on financing health care for unauthorized immigrants who are uninsured since we know that about 70% of care for America's uninsured is uncompensated, meaning that ultimately it is paid for by society in one way or another.

39% was covered by various federal programs (e.g., disproportionate share payments to hospitals);
23% by state and local governments (e.g., via taxpayer support of state and locally owned hospitals);
12% came in the form of physician charity care covered;
25%--was covered by hospitals (arguably by "cost-shifting" i.e., higher charges to privately insured patients that effectively cross-subsidize care for patients who do not pay full freight etc.). An unknown fraction of this stems from EMTALA--the Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act--a federal law that requires hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of their ability to pay. EMTALA is an example of "taxation by regulation" insofar as the same outcome might have been achieved by using tax dollars to pay hospitals to treat such patients voluntarily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

I don’t know anyone using undocumented people for childcare. Do you?

Why would they tell YOU?

Because I’ve met their nannies & au pairs. ??

Why are you assuming they are undocumented?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

I don’t know anyone using undocumented people for childcare. Do you?

Why would they tell YOU?

Because I’ve met their nannies & au pairs. ??

Why are you assuming they are undocumented?

You seem confused. It’s ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:edit - WITHIN our borders!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a million less migrants being processed than years before. Also cutting off those three countries will increase migrants.

I don't know how international aid is handled. So who monitors its use on the other end?

If the money we are sending over now is being misused/stolen - padding the pockets of those in charge - it's wasted money that could be used for us, without our borders.

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

They want to work in a slaughterhouse?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

Or a farm?
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/04/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-000395

Or raising your kids? The horror!!!!

I don’t know anyone using undocumented people for childcare. Do you?

Why would they tell YOU?

Because I’ve met their nannies & au pairs. ??

Why are you assuming they are undocumented?

You seem confused. It’s ok.

Yes, I’m confused where you get your information. It seems like you just pull it out of your ass.