Why are American blacks always having issues with the Police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

Another poster here. I don't know who is correct--but I really think comparing poor Appalachian areas to urban areas is not comparing apples to apples. In the Appalachian areas, there is lots of open space and people usually don't live in stairwells. Think trailers.

+1. I think the concentration of poverty in urban areas over multiple generations explains a large portion of it.

[Anonymous]

Given today's climate I'm glad I don't live in Flint, Michigan. It's hot as the dickens out and I need a shower everytime I step outside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

I think you are right for the most part but the problem is that the person whose death started the whole movement was Michael Brown, who was a violent criminal and who did attack the officer and whose whole narrative of "hands up" was based off a blatant lie by his "friend". And then criminals and thugs took his death and these lies as an excuse to lootand burn down a mostly black middle class town and destroy the lives and businesses of a lot of black middle class business owners.

A lot of people see this as the poster child and identity of the movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

I have no idea who the heck you are.

Accountability is the only way issues are ever resolved. Accontability from the black community and the police department. Within the black community too many people keep making excuses. Bill Cosby is a sumbag but he was right on its time for the ghetto black community to man up and deal with their crap. The police department also has to deal with crap. Some examples get rid of asshole cops and work on refrom similar to what the Dallas Police Deparmtnet has done.

Now I will shift to BLM and I will argue that the organization is doing more harm than good and actually even hurting the community they are looking to help. Much like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson they fan the flames of blaming other instead of taking personal responsibility for situations like actually getting lives together. Quit doing drugs, commiting crimes. Stay in school and act like a normal member of society.

Almost all the situations trumpeted by the BLM have multiple issues at play. If innocent people were being gunned down in cold blood I would be protesting. Instead almost all of these incidents there is fault on BOTH SIDES. In the cases where the police are clearly at fault they have been prosecuted and faced charges. In many of these other cases the actual facts show a very mixed picture on what actually occured. The case in MN is a perfect example of the actual facts painting a much bigger picture than what the gf and MSM lapped up as truth.

You should be proud. You are in the same league as the South Afrikannas during Apartheid and the George Wallace's during the Civil Rights movement. They mouthed your same words and sentiments. The exact same sentiment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

Another poster here. I don't know who is correct--but I really think comparing poor Appalachian areas to urban areas is not comparing apples to apples. In the Appalachian areas, there is lots of open space and people usually don't live in stairwells. Think trailers.

+1. I think the concentration of poverty in urban areas over multiple generations explains a large portion of it.

Yes, hopefully the government has finally recognized this. Maybe that's why they are trying to provide vouchers and low income housing in the suburbs and exurbs. More open space for the poor and stop stacking them up in cramped quarters with no room to move.

[Anonymous]

Why? Because liberals have outsourced to cops and public school teachers the cleaning up of the disasters they’ve made of American cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why? Because liberals have outsourced to cops and public school teachers the cleaning up of the disasters they’ve made of American cities.

I don't see the correlation care to elaborate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why? Because liberals have outsourced to cops and public school teachers the cleaning up of the disasters they’ve made of American cities.

I don't see the correlation care to elaborate?

Sure!

- First, create dependency (mix together poor schools, social programs);
- Second, take away opportunity (NAFTA and unlimited immigration);
- Third, try to have the public school teachers deal with it; and
- Fourth, when that all goes to Hell, send in the cops to keep them in line.

Eventually, as in Warsaw and Complexo do Alemão, a well-organized ghetto will push back from its circumstances.

[Anonymous]

What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why? Because liberals have outsourced to cops and public school teachers the cleaning up of the disasters they’ve made of American cities.

I don't see the correlation care to elaborate?

Sure!

- First, create dependency (mix together poor schools, social programs);
- Second, take away opportunity (NAFTA and unlimited immigration);
- Third, try to have the public school teachers deal with it; and
- Fourth, when that all goes to Hell, send in the cops to keep them in line.

Eventually, as in Warsaw and Complexo do Alemão, a well-organized ghetto will push back from its circumstances.

Still not getting the whole liberal culpability component.

- Eisenhower was in office when schools were desegregated;
- Reagan first proposed a free trade agreement between the U.S. and Mexico 1980 and it was his vision of free trade in Latin America and around the world;
- Carter created the Department of Education in 1980 but there's been an even number of Cabinet Secretaries of Education (5 Democrats to 5 Republicans) since then;
- And don't have the figures but I'd be willing to bet there have been more conservative police chiefs in major metropolitan cities than not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

Are you talking about the post from the black cop, talking about how poorly he's treated by other blacks and the under-reported problem with b-on-b murders? If so, I asked the same question. Told it was reposted from something on Facebook.

[Anonymous]

Very interesting article i read here and makes sense!


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/

High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega­tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting article i read here and makes sense!


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/

High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega­tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

So, I won't even argue over the substance of the article (since it's racist drivel), but what is the Washington Times? I've never heard of this paper. However, I saw an older guy reading it on the Red line the other day, and I was struck by the partisan tone of all the headlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

Are you talking about the post from the black cop, talking about how poorly he's treated by other blacks and the under-reported problem with b-on-b murders? If so, I asked the same question. Told it was reposted from something on Facebook.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/570190.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting article i read here and makes sense!


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/

High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega­tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

So, I won't even argue over the substance of the article (since it's racist drivel), but what is the Washington Times? I've never heard of this paper. However, I saw an older guy reading it on the Red line the other day, and I was struck by the partisan tone of all the headlines.

What is racist about it? Read THEN decide. The times were the first to acknowledge metro problems. They are more upfront and real