Why are American blacks always having issues with the Police?

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting article i read here and makes sense!


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/

High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega­tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

So, I won't even argue over the substance of the article (since it's racist drivel), but what is the Washington Times? I've never heard of this paper. However, I saw an older guy reading it on the Red line the other day, and I was struck by the partisan tone of all the headlines.

What is racist about it? Read THEN decide. The times were the first to acknowledge metro problems. They are more upfront and real

I'm with you....nothing racist about it. In fact, it's almost ironic.....the guy writes that blacks won't make progress until these issues are addressed, and you can see why they're not. As soon as you hint about some of the problems in the black community being, in part at least, due to their own actions, you're called a racist. The article was great and hit it on the nail.

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Your question is naive and insulting OP and I'm white. What? Do you live in a bubble? No access to news or papers? Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

I think you are right for the most part but the problem is that the person whose death started the whole movement was Michael Brown, who was a violent criminal and who did attack the officer and whose whole narrative of "hands up" was based off a blatant lie by his "friend". And then criminals and thugs took his death and these lies as an excuse to lootand burn down a mostly black middle class town and destroy the lives and businesses of a lot of black middle class business owners.

A lot of people see this as the poster child and identity of the movement.

I see the movement as a culmination of many stories. If it had just been Michael Brown it would not have been a movement, just an incident. I also think BLM started with Trayvon Martin and the "stand your ground law". There is a long list of names and these are just the case that have been publicized and perhaps had videos, not the ones that haven't. I would also say that for example with the Rolling Stone sexual assault article that turned out to be false - that didn't mean that there weren't victims of sexual assault that had their cases mishandled on college campus and that people speaking out shouldn't continue trying to fight for progress and change.

I am not a GWB fan by any means but he was spot on when he said "to often we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions". It is very easy to point to the worst example. Have you heard people say they don't support the right to life because people that also support that cause have bombed abortion clinics? In fact, I will go a step further that you can be on opposite sides of the issue and agree that the people that bomb clinics are wrong. By your admission BLM movement should be discounted because perhaps one story among dozens wasn't accurate and a few people among how many peaceful protestors were looking for trouble. Interesting.

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I have many African American friends and they are educated and successful and don't even live in the crime ridden neighborhoods, so I am well aware that most African Americans are not commiting violent acts. I can also say that before I moved to DC I was a left wing liberal hippy with no pre-conceived ideas of anyone, as my family didn't discuss race growing up. In the last few years I have had friends killed, family violently attacked, and myself and my children attacked - all by African American men in DC. I also hear repeated attacks and violent crimes friends and acquaintances almost daily by the same description of suspects - African American men. Of course I have a more skeptical view because I have experienced it first hand. This is not prejudging or assuming. It is a pattern of behavior that I have experienced or witnessed personally that makes me have these views. I also have African American relatives whom I adore and love and they are little and I pray to god they do not ever get harmed being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

I'm not a cop but I am a newspaper journalist with many years on the police beat and lots of ride alongs. There are plenty of bad cops but most are not. Here's what I observed during citations, etc. Black kids and some Latinos tend to mouth off and resist. White kids and some minorities who cooperate and show respect for the officers often get tickets or citations and many go to jail for open container, drugs etc. The white kids tend to be picked up by concerned parents and grandparents who bail them out and are POed at them, not the cops. The black kids often have trouble reaching anyone who can/will come post bail and those who do are often represented by elders who blame the whole situation on racial bias.
I've also spent a lot of time covering courts. Black kids are usually represented by public defenders and are MUCH more likely to do time in lockup than whites, who are often paying for good private lawyers. I see the broken court and prison system as far more of a problem than street policing.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

I'm not a cop but I am a newspaper journalist with many years on the police beat and lots of ride alongs. There are plenty of bad cops but most are not. Here's what I observed during citations, etc. Black kids and some Latinos tend to mouth off and resist. White kids and some minorities who cooperate and show respect for the officers often get tickets or citations and many go to jail for open container, drugs etc. The white kids tend to be picked up by concerned parents and grandparents who bail them out and are POed at them, not the cops. The black kids often have trouble reaching anyone who can/will come post bail and those who do are often represented by elders who blame the whole situation on racial bias.
I've also spent a lot of time covering courts. Black kids are usually represented by public defenders and are MUCH more likely to do time in lockup than whites, who are often paying for good private lawyers. I see the broken court and prison system as far more of a problem than street policing.

Great summary.

Amazing that our President seems to be oblivious to such facts, and leading us from bad to, yes, worse.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the cop's post? Or am I losing track of threads?

I'm not a cop but I am a newspaper journalist with many years on the police beat and lots of ride alongs. There are plenty of bad cops but most are not. Here's what I observed during citations, etc. Black kids and some Latinos tend to mouth off and resist. White kids and some minorities who cooperate and show respect for the officers often get tickets or citations and many go to jail for open container, drugs etc. The white kids tend to be picked up by concerned parents and grandparents who bail them out and are POed at them, not the cops. The black kids often have trouble reaching anyone who can/will come post bail and those who do are often represented by elders who blame the whole situation on racial bias.
I've also spent a lot of time covering courts. Black kids are usually represented by public defenders and are MUCH more likely to do time in lockup than whites, who are often paying for good private lawyers. I see the broken court and prison system as far more of a problem than street policing.

I was reading along and nodding my head until I got to the last sentence. How is our court and prison system broken and how do they cause any of the aforementioned issues?