Why are American blacks always having issues with the Police?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

Yes, I am sure those "meth head" fathers would be such a good influence and active role models for their children. They are better off in jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

You are making excuses and ignoring the issue.

There was an African American man who died trying to shield his kids from bullets from some gang shooting at night in his home.

The kid he shielded he saved. Two of the other kids died from the gunfire. Two other kids were not killed. The mom lived.

So five kids living in the home.

Three of these five kids lived.

The article said he was survived by twelve children.

God bless this man for saving his child's life.

But 14 children from different women? This is not the fault of the courts disproportionally jailing black men for drug offenses.

There is something broken in a community when that kind of behavior becomes the norm and not the exception. How many of your friends and associates, black or white, have a dozen plus children from multiple people? How many of the poorer working class people that take care of your children, your yard and your home have this kind of disregard for family and bringing children into this world?

These kids start way behind the eight ball from the moment they are born, not becaise of the courts but because of this complete lack of anything remotely resembling a stable family.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

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Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

As a white person, if cops were throwing white meth heads (or other white druggies) in jail, I certainly wouldn't fault them. I'd rather get these folks away from kids and other innocent people who don't need to see or deal with this behavior.

Furthermore, there was an article in the Post addressing WHY blacks dealing drugs were more likely to be arrested:

This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. Rothwell's numbers shoot some holes into some oft-repeated drug warrior talking points: that people don't get arrested for nonviolent drug crime as much as they used to (false), and that legalizing and decriminalizing certain drugs won't magically solve racial disparities in the criminal justice system (true, although the chart above suggests it could help).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it
White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it

So should cops be patrolling the inside of homes now in order to level the playing field? Or should they simply ignore the drug dealings they see on a regular basis?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

To add to that, historically speaking, people have also pointed to the old welfare rules that made it more advantageous to not have the married head of household and also the impact when males have to move to other areas of the country to find work and leave family behind. As you compare this to your small town growing up, understand that my grandparents grew up in South Carolina under Jim Crow laws and could not go to school beyond 8th grade and had to move to find jobs. I tried to explain it once that it would be like playing a game of monopoly and everyone else started out with $2000 and you started out with $0 and while other people are buying property and putting hotels on Boardwalk, you finally have passed Go enough time to buy one of the cheap properties. Then people look at you and say by gosh, look at my entrepreneurial spirit, I worked hard to buy everything surrounding Boardwork. Why aren't you as successful as me? And if you point out they stared with $2000 and you started with $0 you are "playing the victims" and "they didn't make the rules" and "what that happened 30 minutes ago, are you still harping on that".

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

Agreed. It's a problem of poverty. But to expand that, poverty is much more prevalent among single-mother households.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

Agreed. It's a problem of poverty. But to expand that, poverty is much more prevalent among single-mother households.

Well if that's the case white folks better get on the ball cause since 1960 the percentage of white children living in single-parent homes has increased from 7 percent to nearly 23 percent. Y'all gonna end up like the coloreds y'all so despise.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

I have no idea who the heck you are.

Accountability is the only way issues are ever resolved. Accontability from the black community and the police department. Within the black community too many people keep making excuses. Bill Cosby is a sumbag but he was right on its time for the ghetto black community to man up and deal with their crap. The police department also has to deal with crap. Some examples get rid of asshole cops and work on refrom similar to what the Dallas Police Deparmtnet has done.

Now I will shift to BLM and I will argue that the organization is doing more harm than good and actually even hurting the community they are looking to help. Much like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson they fan the flames of blaming other instead of taking personal responsibility for situations like actually getting lives together. Quit doing drugs, commiting crimes. Stay in school and act like a normal member of society.

Almost all the situations trumpeted by the BLM have multiple issues at play. If innocent people were being gunned down in cold blood I would be protesting. Instead almost all of these incidents there is fault on BOTH SIDES. In the cases where the police are clearly at fault they have been prosecuted and faced charges. In many of these other cases the actual facts show a very mixed picture on what actually occured. The case in MN is a perfect example of the actual facts painting a much bigger picture than what the gf and MSM lapped up as truth.

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Definitely a problem of poor, inner-city communities, irrespective of race. If you take poor, white families and transplant them into an inner-city environment with lots of public housing, I expect we'd see some of the same outcomes that are observed within low-income AA communities.

I am AA and spent several years in Boston in my 20s. See the example of Southie for an approximation of this situation among its Irish-American residents (at least historically--it's apparently been gentrifying in recent years).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

Agreed. It's a problem of poverty. But to expand that, poverty is much more prevalent among single-mother households.

Well if that's the case white folks better get on the ball cause since 1960 the percentage of white children living in single-parent homes has increased from 7 percent to nearly 23 percent. Y'all gonna end up like the coloreds y'all so despise.

Goodness! Someone sure has a chip on her shoulder! Blacks still have triple the rate of out-of-wedlock births than whites. Pardon me for pointing out that the black community might have SOME role its own situation of poverty and the crime that rises from it.

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This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

Another poster here. I don't know who is correct--but I really think comparing poor Appalachian areas to urban areas is not comparing apples to apples. In the Appalachian areas, there is lots of open space and people usually don't live in stairwells. Think trailers.