Van Hollen in El Salvador

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

His wife confirmed the beating(s).


BELIEVE ALL WOMEN!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread really touches a nerve with the maggots!! Hee hee hee. I LOVE it when the maggots squirm! Or maybe it's the Russian troll farm. Either way, Van Hollen has gotten under their skin. A US Senator flies down to El Salvador to try to get a legal resident of Maryland out of a notorious prison to which he's been sent in error. I can't think of anyone other than the judge who has been more honorable in this case.

And let's face it, the case has nothing to do with Mr. Abrego Garcia. It has to do with the Trump administration proving it has power over the courts, ie that Mr. Trump is now a dictator with full control of all three branches of our federal government.

I am so sorry for Mr. Abrego Garcia's US citizen wife and children. Their husband/father is a pawn, a human sacrifice to the authoritarian goals of the Trump administration. I pray Mr. Van Hollen is successful and gets this innocent man out of prison in El Salvador.

Van Hollen is a hero to me and to many, many Americans.

He is not nor ever was a legal resident of Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've known Chris Van Hollen since the mid-90s when I worked with him at the General Assembly. He is the real deal. This is because he cares, and it's not a political stunt. The US government did something horribly wrong and he's trying to fix it.

Seems he cares more for illegal aliens than citizens who are his constituents.

He cares that the US government is doing illegal things and he loves his country enough to try and fix that.

We inherited due process from British Common Law. Isn't that white enough for you to try to defend?

Garcia was seen by an immigration judge in 2019 and then an appeals court. How much due process does one man need?

All of the same due process as anyone else. That’s a pretty simple answer. Did you not think of that obvious truth?

That answer makes no sense. You wanted him to have due process. He was seen by two immigration judges including an appeals court already. That’s the due process.

This administration has admitted the deportation to El Salvador was a “clerical error.”

Please explain how being deported to a foreign prison because of a paperwork snafu and then left to rot there even when the error was caught amounts to due process?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

Did you not click the link to the actual court papers? Evidence was presented on both sides. He had a Lawyer. He lost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

He didn’t need a hearing to prove he is in a gang to be removed. He is removable because he is an illegal alien. He tried to plead asylum but that failed. He had due process in 2019 but judge declined to give him amnesty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

[Anonymous]

^^^ Those documents on the website offer no corroborated evidence that Abrego Garcia is a member of a gang. It appears that one person claimed he is a gang member, yet he has no criminal history, and nothing to tie him to a gang except an accusation by an anonymous person whose motives are unknown. Is the person a paid informant? For ICE to pick him up off the street and send him to an El Salvador prison without due process should send shivers down the spine of every American.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

Those documents have the original hearing in April 2019, and the appeal in December 2019. He lost both.
That seems like due process to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've known Chris Van Hollen since the mid-90s when I worked with him at the General Assembly. He is the real deal. This is because he cares, and it's not a political stunt. The US government did something horribly wrong and he's trying to fix it.

Seems he cares more for illegal aliens than citizens who are his constituents.

He cares that the US government is doing illegal things and he loves his country enough to try and fix that.

We inherited due process from British Common Law. Isn't that white enough for you to try to defend?

Garcia was seen by an immigration judge in 2019 and then an appeals court. How much due process does one man need?

All of the same due process as anyone else. That’s a pretty simple answer. Did you not think of that obvious truth?

That answer makes no sense. You wanted him to have due process. He was seen by two immigration judges including an appeals court already. That’s the due process.

This administration has admitted the deportation to El Salvador was a “clerical error.”

Please explain how being deported to a foreign prison because of a paperwork snafu and then left to rot there even when the error was caught amounts to due process?

That’s not what due process means. Due process doesn’t mean government never makes mistakes.

He had an order of removal. He wasn’t supposed to be moved to El Salvador - that was the error. But he still had an order of removal and received due process as part of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

SCOTUS told the gubmint to facilitate the man's return to the USA. That has not happened. The government is in violation of a SCOTUS order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Those documents on the website offer no corroborated evidence that Abrego Garcia is a member of a gang. It appears that one person claimed he is a gang member, yet he has no criminal history, and nothing to tie him to a gang except an accusation by an anonymous person whose motives are unknown. Is the person a paid informant? For ICE to pick him up off the street and send him to an El Salvador prison without due process should send shivers down the spine of every American.

His removal order doesn’t require evidence of gang membership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

SCOTUS told the gubmint to facilitate the man's return to the USA. That has not happened. The government is in violation of a SCOTUS order.

Wrong. SCOTUS told the judge to clarify her order especially in terms of “effectuate” with respect for the executive branch. She still hasn’t done so. SCOTUS never mandated a return of Garcia to the US. It mandated “facilitate” a release IN ES.