Where are Traditional Conservatives?

[Anonymous]

Responding to OP’s first question with a sample of one: voting tactically for Dems, protesting for Ukraine and our network of alliances on the Mall, and teaching DC about democracy and *conserving* the constitution. I accept that I am politically homeless.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

This is patently false. You could not work on film/on camera without a vaccine card. Many actors and film industry people bought covid vaccine documentation on the black market so that they could work.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

I do not have to take my family member to a healthcare facility in the middle of a pandemic or a measles outbreak if they don't require vaccinations.

Go ahead and run such a facility and see if you can stay in business. Who is going to take their patients for care to such a place?

[Anonymous]

If there were two cruise lines and one required vaccinations to go on the ship and one did not, which one do you think would stay in business?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

They even included DEIA which highlights accessibility. People are really really stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

I do not have to take my family member to a healthcare facility in the middle of a pandemic or a measles outbreak if they don't require vaccinations.

Go ahead and run such a facility and see if you can stay in business. Who is going to take their patients for care to such a place?

Unless you live in a big city, you don't really have a choice. Most people are stuck with one hospital within reasonable driving distance. They don't have Sloan-Kettering, Mount Sinai, and multiple university hospitals within walking distance.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

I am old enough to remember a novel vaccine in 2020 that had a several day incubation period where the virus could spread and the expression of illness had not yet begun.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

This is patently false. You could not work on film/on camera without a vaccine card. Many actors and film industry people bought covid vaccine documentation on the black market so that they could work.

That wasn't government mandating a shot. If you wanted the job, you needed to adhere to the conditions set by the employer. No one forced you to work that job.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Yes in fact I do. The issue of vaccines is more complex because as we've seen in TX the unvaccinated impact more than just their own lives so I understand vaccine mandates. However, at the end of the day speaking for myself I still believe in individual's right to choice.

I just can’t understand people who want to force someone to inject something into their body to ostensibly try to save a newborn over here, while over there they are fighting to allow someone to rip apart a baby that’s about to be born but still a few days to go, even when there aren’t necessarily any medical reasons for doing it. How can a baby only have value after it comes out but not the day before?

I’m glad that you see the hypocrisy anyway.

FWIW I agree that neither abortion nor vaccines should be politicized. They should both be medical decisions that are made privately. I do think that anyone who aborts a baby after 20 weeks without a serious genetic or life risking medical issue should be sterilized at the same time though. It seems reasonable to prevent it from happening again. Democrats defending abortion in all cases constantly claim that this “never happens” so nobody should have a problem with that policy.

There is really no such thing as third trimester abortions unless the fetus dies or the health of the mother is at risk. I challenge you to find a case of an elective abortion of a viable fetus who was "a few days" from birth.

Hint: NO DOCTOR WOULD DO THIS.

Doctors would do this. Washington DC allows abortion to 9 months.

And who would do this? Well apparently some women do. It’s very rare but it happens.

A Live Action investigator who is 25 weeks pregnant checks in to Cesare Santangelo’s Washington DC’s Surgi-Clinic for a late-term abortion. She tells the facility she is 22 weeks pregnant and wants an abortion. Santangelo is caught on tape agreeing to deny medical care to a viable child who survives an abortion, in direct violation of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act

That is the best example of something that didn't happen? Because, it didn't happen. Google the actual story.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

This is patently false. You could not work on film/on camera without a vaccine card. Many actors and film industry people bought covid vaccine documentation on the black market so that they could work.

How dumb, to go to such lengths. And astounding that in this day and age you are still being self-righteous about it.

The COVID-19 vaccines have been extensively studied and monitored for safety and effectiveness. COVID-19 vaccines underwent rigorous testing in clinical trials and have been subject to the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. While some rare side effects have been reported, the vast majority of people experience only mild, temporary effects such as soreness at the injection site, fatigue, or mild fever. Serious adverse effects are astronomically rare and people were far more likely to experience serious health issues from COVID itself than from the vaccines.

The vaccines have been shown to be effective in preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death caused by COVID-194. For example, the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccines were found to be effective in reducing and preventing emergency department or urgent care visits and effective in preventing hospitalizations among older adults. Vaccination significantly reduced the risk of severe outcomes, including ICU admissions and mortality. Studies have shown that vaccinated individuals have a lower risk of hospitalization and death compared to unvaccinated individuals.

COVID-19 itself posed a far greater threat than the vaccines. The virus has caused millions of deaths worldwide and continues to pose a risk, especially to vulnerable populations. Vaccines have played a crucial role in reducing the spread of the virus and preventing severe illness and death.

COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and saved countless lives by reducing the severity and spread of the virus. The benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks associated with the vaccines.

Enough already. Stop with the hyperbole and pretending the vaccines were some awful threat and danger imposed on you. The science does not back you up.

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Does Maga not realize that even Trump got the vaccine and he took credit for creating them

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

Nowhere in the Bible is there any direct prohibition against vaccines. There are only a handful of references that by a stretch could support such a prohibition, such as "your body is a temple" and "trust in God" but doesn't the temple require maintenance, patching the roof if it gets a leak? Doesn't trust in God include the knowledge acquired through science and medicine? It's like the story of the person praying to God to be saved while ignoring every possible means around them (provided by God) by which they could save themselves.

Did faith alone protect anyone from getting COVID? No. Will it stop anyone from getting measles? No.