Where are Traditional Conservatives?

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Anonymous wrote:Traditional anti-war Democrats are now MAGA.

One issue I am with Trump
The Ukraine war.
When did the democrats become neocon?

If Trump is able to negotiate an end to the war, does he get a Nobel Peace Prize? He should, in my book.

Negotiation of the end of the war that ends in Russian annex some or all of a country is not a good solution, so, no.

We are also not a party to the war.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traditional anti-war Democrats are now MAGA.

One issue I am with Trump
The Ukraine war.
When did the democrats become neocon?

It's not "neocon" to believe in a nation's sovereignty, freedom and independence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

The anti-vaxxers were hysterically over the top anyhow, whipped into a frenzy by disinfo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traditional anti-war Democrats are now MAGA.

One issue I am with Trump
The Ukraine war.
When did the democrats become neocon?

If Trump is able to negotiate an end to the war, does he get a Nobel Peace Prize? He should, in my book.

Negotiation of the end of the war that ends in Russian annex some or all of a country is not a good solution, so, no.

Yeah, since when do we reward a mugger with letting them keep your wallet and phone and no penalties?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traditional Reagan conservative here, standing back and standing by.

You must be ancient

I’m 61. Pretty young compared to recent presidents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Trump and co. are not liberals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Trump and co. are not liberals.

True. We need a 3rd party. I am serious thinking of always voting 3rd party from here on out bc I can’t get over my own party now becoming a pro war party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Trump and co. are not liberals.

True. We need a 3rd party. I am serious thinking of always voting 3rd party from here on out bc I can’t get over my own party now becoming a pro war party.

If there was ever a time for a 3rd party it’s now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Trump and co. are not liberals.

True. We need a 3rd party. I am serious thinking of always voting 3rd party from here on out bc I can’t get over my own party now becoming a pro war party.

Fake Dem alert!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Trump and co. are not liberals.

True. We need a 3rd party. I am serious thinking of always voting 3rd party from here on out bc I can’t get over my own party now becoming a pro war party.

You may as well stay home as vote third party. Only thing it achieves is you can say you voted. I think we’re down to one party at this point anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

I cannot believe in the year 2025 anyone is still bit -ching about a vaccine that was mandatory for a brief period of time years ago.

Like you’re comparing a mandated vaccine during a global pandemic that killed millions to what is going on now?

Ok sure, let’s elect a literal r@pist, trash our economy, purge our civil workforce, and hand over contracts unfettered to an unelected billionaire over it.

Also voluntarily leaving your job in 2021-22 was a much better time to find a job than during mass layoffs and an economic crash. None of this is even comparable at all.

Oh and also you could get a religious exemption from getting the COVID vaccine. I don’t see anyone being exempt from tyrannical rule except the oligarchs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Yes in fact I do. The issue of vaccines is more complex because as we've seen in TX the unvaccinated impact more than just their own lives so I understand vaccine mandates. However, at the end of the day speaking for myself I still believe in individual's right to choice.

I just can’t understand people who want to force someone to inject something into their body to ostensibly try to save a newborn over here, while over there they are fighting to allow someone to rip apart a baby that’s about to be born but still a few days to go, even when there aren’t necessarily any medical reasons for doing it. How can a baby only have value after it comes out but not the day before?

I’m glad that you see the hypocrisy anyway.

FWIW I agree that neither abortion nor vaccines should be politicized. They should both be medical decisions that are made privately. I do think that anyone who aborts a baby after 20 weeks without a serious genetic or life risking medical issue should be sterilized at the same time though. It seems reasonable to prevent it from happening again. Democrats defending abortion in all cases constantly claim that this “never happens” so nobody should have a problem with that policy.

There is really no such thing as third trimester abortions unless the fetus dies or the health of the mother is at risk. I challenge you to find a case of an elective abortion of a viable fetus who was "a few days" from birth.

Hint: NO DOCTOR WOULD DO THIS.

Doctors would do this. Washington DC allows abortion to 9 months.

And who would do this? Well apparently some women do. It’s very rare but it happens.

A Live Action investigator who is 25 weeks pregnant checks in to Cesare Santangelo’s Washington DC’s Surgi-Clinic for a late-term abortion. She tells the facility she is 22 weeks pregnant and wants an abortion. Santangelo is caught on tape agreeing to deny medical care to a viable child who survives an abortion, in direct violation of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

I cannot believe in the year 2025 anyone is still bit -ching about a vaccine that was mandatory for a brief period of time years ago.

Like you’re comparing a mandated vaccine during a global pandemic that killed millions to what is going on now?

Ok sure, let’s elect a literal r@pist, trash our economy, purge our civil workforce, and hand over contracts unfettered to an unelected billionaire over it.

Also voluntarily leaving your job in 2021-22 was a much better time to find a job than during mass layoffs and an economic crash. None of this is even comparable at all.

Oh and also you could get a religious exemption from getting the COVID vaccine. I don’t see anyone being exempt from tyrannical rule except the oligarchs.

DP. So, "my body, my choice" only went it's convenient. Got it.