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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties. [/quote]

As a liberal leftist I agree with this.  The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to  an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language  like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”.  And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

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Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?[/quote]

Yes in fact I do. The issue of vaccines is more complex because as we've seen in TX the unvaccinated impact more than just their own lives so I understand vaccine mandates. However, at the end of the day speaking for myself I still believe in individual's right to choice. [/quote]

I just can’t understand people who want to force someone to inject something into their body to ostensibly try to save a newborn over here, while over there they are fighting to [b]allow someone to rip apart a baby that’s about to be born but still a few days to go[/b], even when there aren’t necessarily any medical reasons for doing it. How can a baby only have value after it comes out but not the day before?

I’m glad that you see the hypocrisy anyway.

FWIW I agree that neither abortion nor vaccines should be politicized. They should both be medical decisions that are made privately. I do think that anyone who aborts a baby after 20 weeks without a serious genetic or life risking medical issue should be sterilized at the same time though. It seems reasonable to prevent it from happening again. Democrats defending abortion in all cases constantly claim that this “never happens” so nobody should have a problem with that policy.
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There is really no such thing as third trimester abortions unless the fetus dies or the health of the mother is at risk. I challenge you to find a case of an elective abortion of a viable fetus who was "a few days" from birth.

Hint: NO DOCTOR WOULD DO THIS.[/quote]

Doctors would do this. Washington DC allows abortion to 9 months.

And who would do this? Well apparently some women do. It’s very rare but it happens.

A Live Action investigator who is 25 weeks pregnant checks in to Cesare Santangelo’s Washington DC’s Surgi-Clinic for a late-term abortion. She tells the facility she is 22 weeks pregnant and wants an abortion. Santangelo is caught on tape agreeing to deny medical care to a viable child who survives an abortion, in direct violation of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act[/quote]

That is the best example of something that didn't happen? Because, it didn't happen. Google the actual story.[/quote]

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