Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/8/20060608-121304-5477r/

George Porter, 51, a taxi driver and lifelong D.C. resident, said he hasn’t seen many cameras in Northwest. However, he said he’s noticed quite a few on heavily traveled roads in Northeast and Southeast, including Benning Avenue Northeast — a freewaylike thoroughfare which is not located in a residential area but has a 30 mph speed limit.

“That one just seems excessive to me,” Mr. Porter said. “There’s no way you’re going to hurt a pedestrian there.”

James Cole, 46, who was born and raised in the District, said he thinks commuter routes are the program’s primary target, but the lack of cameras outside of the eastern half of the city lends credence to the claims of racial disparity.

Don't speed and you don't get a ticket..how is that hard?

There are speed cameras all over Potomac and Bethesda - a majority white area. They are all over the Palisades - a majority white area. It's not rocket science.

It's also not rocket science that they have not reduced accidents or injury. It's a way to make money.

who cares if it is a way to make money? Don't speed and you're good. Speed and you pay. Why would the county NOT want to make money off criminals? It's solid revenue without raising taxes. Put them everywhere for all I care.

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Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/8/20060608-121304-5477r/

George Porter, 51, a taxi driver and lifelong D.C. resident, said he hasn’t seen many cameras in Northwest. However, he said he’s noticed quite a few on heavily traveled roads in Northeast and Southeast, including Benning Avenue Northeast — a freewaylike thoroughfare which is not located in a residential area but has a 30 mph speed limit.

“That one just seems excessive to me,” Mr. Porter said. “There’s no way you’re going to hurt a pedestrian there.”

James Cole, 46, who was born and raised in the District, said he thinks commuter routes are the program’s primary target, but the lack of cameras outside of the eastern half of the city lends credence to the claims of racial disparity.

Don't speed and you don't get a ticket..how is that hard?

There are speed cameras all over Potomac and Bethesda - a majority white area. They are all over the Palisades - a majority white area. It's not rocket science.

As mentioned above, we don't have data for who gets speed and red light camera tickets in Montgomery County. In DC, some have observed they are concentrated in majority Black neighborhoods. Across the US, Black communities have a lot of very unsafe roads. That sucks and it also means they need to fix the roads.

The whole basis for enforcement is to make the roads safer. You all think by pulling over a disproportionate number of Black people, that makes the roads safer. Yet, this disproportionate enforcement becomes more disproportionate over time. It doesn't sound like it's functioning as a deterrent. So that raises the question, shouldn't we change the road design? Otherwise enforcement is just a game of whack a mole.

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Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

I bet if you pulled all black Moco residents to ask their opinion on this topic, the votes would surprise you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

I bet if you pulled all black Moco residents to ask their opinion on this topic, the votes would surprise you.

*Polled

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

I bet if you pulled all black Moco residents to ask their opinion on this topic, the votes would surprise you.

*Polled

Lol I think your typo tells us.more than the rest of what you wrote which is pretty meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

The Black poster is probably much more accurate in who wants this. Jawando's public safety base is a bunch of middle aged white women in Silver Spring Justice Coalition and Jews United for Justice.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

The Black poster is probably much more accurate in who wants this. Jawando's public safety base is a bunch of middle aged white women in Silver Spring Justice Coalition and Jews United for Justice.

Typing out how you want people to feel (with some ageism and misogyny mixed in) is not the same thing as making it true.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

The Black poster is probably much more accurate in who wants this. Jawando's public safety base is a bunch of middle aged white women in Silver Spring Justice Coalition and Jews United for Justice.

Typing out how you want people to feel (with some ageism and misogyny mixed in) is not the same thing as making it true.

Doesn't make it false, either. The white savior complex is strong around here.

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Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

Councilmembers Jawando and Mink are not White.

Obviously, no racial group, including Black people, is a monolith..people within each group can disagree with one another. You're implying since you disagree with the proposal then no Black person actually wants it. That's a pretty F-ed up argument.

The Black poster is probably much more accurate in who wants this. Jawando's public safety base is a bunch of middle aged white women in Silver Spring Justice Coalition and Jews United for Justice.

Typing out how you want people to feel (with some ageism and misogyny mixed in) is not the same thing as making it true.

Doesn't make it false, either. The white savior complex is strong around here.

Stop erasing the perspectives of Black people, it's disgusting. Learn to speak for yourself.

Black Americans are far less likely than whites to give police high marks for the way they do their jobs. In a 2016 survey, only about a third of black adults said that police in their community did an “excellent” or “good” job in using the right amount of force (33%, compared with 75% of whites), treating racial and ethnic groups equally (35% vs. 75%), and holding officers accountable for misconduct (31% vs. 70%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/

[Anonymous]

Maybe they will read this press release from MCPD that led to over 2000 fentanyl pills being taken off the streets.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=42965

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they will read this press release from MCPD that led to over 2000 fentanyl pills being taken off the streets.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=42965

Non sequitur

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

I'm black too and I'm so tired of overzealous white liberals who think they're doing me a favor with their whacked out ideas that remove rules and accountability and swear they're doing so on my behalf and to my benefit. NOT SO!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they will read this press release from MCPD that led to over 2000 fentanyl pills being taken off the streets.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=42965

Non sequitur

Relevant, it was a traffic stop.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-over-two-thousand-fentanyl-pills-recovered-following-traffic-stop/?fbclid=IwAR1vjqGfIAk9z3VfyQgQFu088BOOBlERK-QeqH7Wyp7hc4FDeFIRwR10AYY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they will read this press release from MCPD that led to over 2000 fentanyl pills being taken off the streets.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=42965

What a smart way for MCPD to drop the mic on Jawando.