Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

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Anonymous wrote:Amen. Sorry I'm a 1990s democrat when that meant you believe in free speech, education, infrastructure, and gay marriage. I never signed up for holding hands and singing Kumbaya with violent criminals and handing out awards to carjackers and drug dealers. I was told by GW Bush in the 2000s that if I question any policies, I hate America. Now I am being told by democrats if I question any policies, I hate black people. The left wing can F off, they have become a parody of themselves. I will not vote a republican but I also can't in good conscience vote a democrat into office either. Pathetic

I was a Democrat in the 1990s (I am still a Democrat). Being a Democrat in the 1990s did not mean that you believed in gay marriage; it meant that you opposed gay marriage. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 by 342-67 in the House and 85-14 in the Senate (Biden voted for it), and it was signed by President Bill Clinton.

So I'm not very worried about anything else you say.

There were too many votes for Clinton to veto it. DOMA was signed mostly to prevent a constitutional amendment which was still a step in the right direction to LGBT rights.

Why were there too many votes for Clinton to veto it? Because most Democrats in the House and Senate voted for it. People shouldn't try to retcon general support for gay marriage back into the 1990s.

Politics are nuanced, it's not always as it seems. It was passed because they knew if they did not pass it the R were going to go for a full amendment.

It was actually a step in the right direction, but it's hard to understand that with a 2023 view of it.

Clinton signed it at night, no pictures of the signing and the pens were destroyed. That's how much he supported it.

Ds went on over the next 5 years to slowly put protections in place that lead up to the Repect for marriage act.

It was also in the middle of the AIDs crisis and R were demonizing gay people... just like they did to the chinese with COVID, same playbook.

Siging that bill made it possible to get more funding for HIV, pass a federal hate crime for LGBT people, banning discrimination based on sex orientation.

We are talking about a time where Republicans beating and killing gay people. Mathew Sheppard happened at this time.

It was certainly hard to understand with a 1996 view of it. Don't rewrite history.

[Anonymous]

When is the actual vote or hearing on this bill?

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Anonymous wrote:Amen. Sorry I'm a 1990s democrat when that meant you believe in free speech, education, infrastructure, and gay marriage. I never signed up for holding hands and singing Kumbaya with violent criminals and handing out awards to carjackers and drug dealers. I was told by GW Bush in the 2000s that if I question any policies, I hate America. Now I am being told by democrats if I question any policies, I hate black people. The left wing can F off, they have become a parody of themselves. I will not vote a republican but I also can't in good conscience vote a democrat into office either. Pathetic

I was a Democrat in the 1990s (I am still a Democrat). Being a Democrat in the 1990s did not mean that you believed in gay marriage; it meant that you opposed gay marriage. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 by 342-67 in the House and 85-14 in the Senate (Biden voted for it), and it was signed by President Bill Clinton.

So I'm not very worried about anything else you say.

There were too many votes for Clinton to veto it. DOMA was signed mostly to prevent a constitutional amendment which was still a step in the right direction to LGBT rights.

Why were there too many votes for Clinton to veto it? Because most Democrats in the House and Senate voted for it. People shouldn't try to retcon general support for gay marriage back into the 1990s.

Politics are nuanced, it's not always as it seems. It was passed because they knew if they did not pass it the R were going to go for a full amendment.

It was actually a step in the right direction, but it's hard to understand that with a 2023 view of it.

Clinton signed it at night, no pictures of the signing and the pens were destroyed. That's how much he supported it.

Ds went on over the next 5 years to slowly put protections in place that lead up to the Repect for marriage act.

It was also in the middle of the AIDs crisis and R were demonizing gay people... just like they did to the chinese with COVID, same playbook.

Siging that bill made it possible to get more funding for HIV, pass a federal hate crime for LGBT people, banning discrimination based on sex orientation.

We are talking about a time where Republicans beating and killing gay people. Mathew Sheppard happened at this time.

It was certainly hard to understand with a 1996 view of it. Don't rewrite history.

Nothing is rewritten educate yourself. You can’t turn to fast or you will spin out of control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amen. Sorry I'm a 1990s democrat when that meant you believe in free speech, education, infrastructure, and gay marriage. I never signed up for holding hands and singing Kumbaya with violent criminals and handing out awards to carjackers and drug dealers. I was told by GW Bush in the 2000s that if I question any policies, I hate America. Now I am being told by democrats if I question any policies, I hate black people. The left wing can F off, they have become a parody of themselves. I will not vote a republican but I also can't in good conscience vote a democrat into office either. Pathetic

I was a Democrat in the 1990s (I am still a Democrat). Being a Democrat in the 1990s did not mean that you believed in gay marriage; it meant that you opposed gay marriage. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 by 342-67 in the House and 85-14 in the Senate (Biden voted for it), and it was signed by President Bill Clinton.

So I'm not very worried about anything else you say.

There were too many votes for Clinton to veto it. DOMA was signed mostly to prevent a constitutional amendment which was still a step in the right direction to LGBT rights.

Why were there too many votes for Clinton to veto it? Because most Democrats in the House and Senate voted for it. People shouldn't try to retcon general support for gay marriage back into the 1990s.

Politics are nuanced, it's not always as it seems. It was passed because they knew if they did not pass it the R were going to go for a full amendment.

It was actually a step in the right direction, but it's hard to understand that with a 2023 view of it.

Clinton signed it at night, no pictures of the signing and the pens were destroyed. That's how much he supported it.

Ds went on over the next 5 years to slowly put protections in place that lead up to the Repect for marriage act.

It was also in the middle of the AIDs crisis and R were demonizing gay people... just like they did to the chinese with COVID, same playbook.

Siging that bill made it possible to get more funding for HIV, pass a federal hate crime for LGBT people, banning discrimination based on sex orientation.

We are talking about a time where Republicans beating and killing gay people. Mathew Sheppard happened at this time.

It was certainly hard to understand with a 1996 view of it. Don't rewrite history.

Nothing is rewritten educate yourself. You can’t turn to fast or you will spin out of control.

https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is the actual vote or hearing on this bill?

June 19th, I believe.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

More police harassment of small minority-owned businesses.

[Anonymous]

It's so great they are taking the time to write press releases about catching small scale drug dealers in traffic stops while offering little in terms of a strategy for stopping repeated carjackings or getting large numbers of guns off the streets (randomly finding guns during traffic stops occasionally doesn't make me feel safer at all).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's so great they are taking the time to write press releases about catching small scale drug dealers in traffic stops while offering little in terms of a strategy for stopping repeated carjackings or getting large numbers of guns off the streets (randomly finding guns during traffic stops occasionally doesn't make me feel safer at all).

Please speak to your council members then. We have a greatly diminished police force right now and little hope for recruiting the numbers we used to get. Recruits just aren’t coming here since they will be treated better elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's so great they are taking the time to write press releases about catching small scale drug dealers in traffic stops while offering little in terms of a strategy for stopping repeated carjackings or getting large numbers of guns off the streets (randomly finding guns during traffic stops occasionally doesn't make me feel safer at all).

Personally, I like hearing about these types of traffic stops because otherwise people will be complaining that the police aren’t doing anything about the drug problem. I’m also glad these drugs are being taken off the streets. I don’t know if this was for his personal use or if he really did intend on selling them, but these particular pills won’t be sold.

Like you, I am also concerned about the carjackings in shootings I have been happening. I want to see action and I want to see these issues addressed as well. Like the previous poster mentioned, write your council members and express your feelings. They need to hear from everybody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's so great they are taking the time to write press releases about catching small scale drug dealers in traffic stops while offering little in terms of a strategy for stopping repeated carjackings or getting large numbers of guns off the streets (randomly finding guns during traffic stops occasionally doesn't make me feel safer at all).

Please speak to your council members then. We have a greatly diminished police force right now and little hope for recruiting the numbers we used to get. Recruits just aren’t coming here since they will be treated better elsewhere.

Why TF should we hire more officers to keep not doing their jobs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

Great work by the Moco police! I think we have one of the best police forces; it's just too bad that there aren't enough police to deal with the growing crime problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

Great work by the Moco police! I think we have one of the best police forces; it's just too bad that there aren't enough police to deal with the growing crime problem.

It's just too bad they aren't willing to do their jobs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

Great work by the Moco police! I think we have one of the best police forces; it's just too bad that there aren't enough police to deal with the growing crime problem.

It's just too bad they aren't willing to do their jobs

This is a bad attempt at trolling. Those of us paying attention are well aware that isn’t the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much traction this bill still has. There was another traffic stop that yielded a large amount of drugs.

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcpd-traffic-stop-in-germantown-leads-to-seizure-of-fentanyl-and-methamphetamine/?fbclid=IwAR11DOr0WjFHUnHcz425IXSeYcm1pEJhoXs_TQPBKEV0_9HMf18Cg0O-mAI&fs=e&s=cl

Montgomery County Police issued a press release today announcing that a traffic stop in Germantown on March 8 led to the discovery of 20 suspected Fentanyl pills, approximately 21 grams of suspected Crystal Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine and drug paraphernalia. This is the third press release regarding traffic stops that MCPD has released since Councilmember Will Jawando introduced Bill 12-23, the Safety and Traffic Equity in Policing (STEP) Act, on February 28, which will limit traffic stops that he says have resulted in racial disparities.

Per MCPD: “Officers from the Montgomery County Department of Police – 5th District Community Action Team have arrested 38-year-old Harry Perkins of Germantown for Possessing Fentanyl and Crystal Methamphetamine with the Intent to Distribute, on Wednesday, March 8, 2023. At approximately 11:35 p.m., officers observed a Chevrolet Equinox commit a moving violation in the area of Circle Gate Dr. and Wisteria Dr. Officers initiated a traffic stop of the Chevrolet in the area of Great Seneca Hwy. and Wisteria Dr.

Officers made contact with the driver and Perkins, who was a passenger in the Chevrolet. Perkins initially provided a false name to officers in attempt to avoid prosecution. Through investigative means, officers were able to positively identify Perkins and determined that there were 4 active warrants for Perkins’ arrest. Officers asked Perkins to exit the Chevrolet to place him under arrest. When Perkins exited the Chevrolet, officers observed drug paraphernalia on the passenger seat, providing officers probable cause to search the Chevrolet.

Great work by the Moco police! I think we have one of the best police forces; it's just too bad that there aren't enough police to deal with the growing crime problem.

It's just too bad they aren't willing to do their jobs

This is a bad attempt at trolling. Those of us paying attention are well aware that isn’t the case.

"Those of us paying attention" is code for people who believe everything MCPD sys but don't look too closely at what they are actually saying