Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Interesting. She's now the Executive Director of the Police Accountability Board, which will oversee police discipline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks pretextural stops make sense.

DUI is a pretextual stop.

Stopping a car that smells like cannabis is pretextual stop. And it's one that almost always results in illegal gun confiscation.

A sheriff arrested Timothy McVeigh an hour or so after the Oklahoma City bombing because of a pretextual stop. McVeigh's car didn't have a license plate.


They can be abused.
But they can also be a great tool for keeping the community safe.
It's stupid to ban them outright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks pretextural stops make sense.

DUI is a pretextual stop.

Stopping a car that smells like cannabis is pretextual stop. And it's one that almost always results in illegal gun confiscation.

A sheriff arrested Timothy McVeigh an hour or so after the Oklahoma City bombing because of a pretextual stop. McVeigh's car didn't have a license plate.


They can be abused.
But they can also be a great tool for keeping the community safe.
It's stupid to ban them outright.

DUI is not a pretextual stop. Stopping a car that smells like cannabis is not a pretextual stop. Stopping a car because "the driver's eyes looked bloodshot" or "the driver looked tired" - when the driver was going by at 55 mph - those are pretextual stops. Otherwise known as lies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks pretextural stops make sense.

DUI is a pretextual stop.

Stopping a car that smells like cannabis is pretextual stop. And it's one that almost always results in illegal gun confiscation.

A sheriff arrested Timothy McVeigh an hour or so after the Oklahoma City bombing because of a pretextual stop. McVeigh's car didn't have a license plate.


They can be abused.
But they can also be a great tool for keeping the community safe.
It's stupid to ban them outright.

DUI is not a pretextual stop. Stopping a car that smells like cannabis is not a pretextual stop. Stopping a car because "the driver's eyes looked bloodshot" or "the driver looked tired" - when the driver was going by at 55 mph - those are pretextual stops. Otherwise known as lies.

Nope. Drivers are allowed to have bloodshot eyes. But doing something like pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line, which is illegal, is a pretextual stop to determine whether someone is driving under the influence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

And yet here you are, not doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

And yet here you are, not doing it.

I’m not going down this path on DCUM. It’s off topic to the subject of this thread, and it’s merely an attempt to attack me. I’ve said I would, so if we get a thread on THAT topic, I will.

Clearly it’s difficult to attack my argument, that Mink has already established herself as vehemently anti-police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

Exactly. And that's the problem with activism today. They preach middle school solutions to Ph.D. problems. Because those sound bites fit better on signs and twitter and instagram. But good political leaders would realize the issue is far more nuanced, and craft policy accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

And yet here you are, not doing it.

Not that poster, but there is no clear pattern of Montgomery County police abusing their positions. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

And yet here you are, not doing it.

Not that poster, but there is no clear pattern of Montgomery County police abusing their positions. At all.

examples? The only case I can think of remotely that applies to was that guy shot in his home

[Anonymous]

I saw the lgbt reading hour protest by the parasol patrol on olney. They had police protecting them and mink who openly attacks them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

Jawando once even condemned a police officer for shooting a black man who was charging at police with a knife. Jawando did not condemn police in Gaithersburg who killed an unarmed white man. Well he had a tree branch in his hands

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando. I purposefully didn’t vote for Barrie because she aligned herself with Jawando. I’m hoping Mink can separate herself from him.

Mink has referred to police officers as "thugs" and "goons" on her social media. That makes her MORE outspoken against police than even Jawando. I don't see how she can separate herself from him.

Yes, she has, in cases where the police officers - not Montgomery County police officers - were behaving like thugs and goons. Since you are so familiar with her social media, how about finding the specific cases where they were behaving like that, and we can then have a discussion about whether or not you believe this was an appropriate way for police officers to behave.

You’ll find several calls on Mink’s sites for Elrich to defund MCPD specifically. You absolutely CANNOT make an argument that she’s pro-MCPD but anti-other departments. It’s absolutely impossible to look at her social media and see anything other than an extreme hatred of policing in general.

I appreciate your attempt to turn this on me by asking me to justify poor police behavior. We both know that’s not the issue at hand. Of course I don’t approve of police who abuse their position. I also don’t approve of having a council member on the public safety committee who so blatantly and forwardly speaks against policing.

The community has called for more policing and more traffic stops, as seen at recent council-led meetings. What do Mink and Jawando do? They introduce a bill that will allow for less. If it passes, the roads will become less safe for all.

Jawando and Mink see the police as the enemy. That’s quite clear.

We don't know any such thing. She condemns police who abuse their position. As do I. As should you.

So her many calls to defund all police, as well as the specific calls to defund MCPD, are somehow targeted to just police who abuse their position?

Good to know. Let’s make sure the honest, hard-working officers with integrity who feel discouraged by the county council are made aware of that fact.

You tried again to put this on me. Of course I can condemn police who abuse their position. I refuse to condemn all. There’s the difference.

And yet here you are, not doing it.

I’m not going down this path on DCUM. It’s off topic to the subject of this thread, and it’s merely an attempt to attack me. I’ve said I would, so if we get a thread on THAT topic, I will.

Clearly it’s difficult to attack my argument, that Mink has already established herself as vehemently anti-police.

100%. This is the Mink supporter playbook on dcum. Attacks to emotion. Strawmen. Ad hominem terms of hate.

And when all that fails- just have any posts critical of her deleted anyway. This one will be gone later today I'm sure.