Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if someone who is involved with the county council calls 911 and requests only a black officer?

It's not a random question it happened

But you asking it does not mean it happened. Stop asking random questions.

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/8/20060608-121304-5477r/

George Porter, 51, a taxi driver and lifelong D.C. resident, said he hasn’t seen many cameras in Northwest. However, he said he’s noticed quite a few on heavily traveled roads in Northeast and Southeast, including Benning Avenue Northeast — a freewaylike thoroughfare which is not located in a residential area but has a 30 mph speed limit.

“That one just seems excessive to me,” Mr. Porter said. “There’s no way you’re going to hurt a pedestrian there.”

James Cole, 46, who was born and raised in the District, said he thinks commuter routes are the program’s primary target, but the lack of cameras outside of the eastern half of the city lends credence to the claims of racial disparity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/8/20060608-121304-5477r/

George Porter, 51, a taxi driver and lifelong D.C. resident, said he hasn’t seen many cameras in Northwest. However, he said he’s noticed quite a few on heavily traveled roads in Northeast and Southeast, including Benning Avenue Northeast — a freewaylike thoroughfare which is not located in a residential area but has a 30 mph speed limit.

“That one just seems excessive to me,” Mr. Porter said. “There’s no way you’re going to hurt a pedestrian there.”

James Cole, 46, who was born and raised in the District, said he thinks commuter routes are the program’s primary target, but the lack of cameras outside of the eastern half of the city lends credence to the claims of racial disparity.

Don't speed and you don't get a ticket..how is that hard?

There are speed cameras all over Potomac and Bethesda - a majority white area. They are all over the Palisades - a majority white area. It's not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

I am with you PP.

Local politicians act emotionally rather than logically. I sure hope come the next election our residents wake up to the mess that is being created. Safety is paramount to all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

I am with you PP.

Local politicians act emotionally rather than logically. I sure hope come the next election our residents wake up to the mess that is being created. Safety is paramount to all.

"Emotional" is the new code for people who care about racist policing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

I am with you PP.

Local politicians act emotionally rather than logically. I sure hope come the next election our residents wake up to the mess that is being created. Safety is paramount to all.

"Emotional" is the new code for people who care about racist policing.

So according to you, the majority of people not following the rules are POC? What is racist about about not registering your car? What is racist about not fixing a headlamp?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

You think society will fall apart because police don't stop drivers with tinted windows? Come on. Police already reduced traffic enforcement by 2/3s. That was their choice. Stopping enforcement of a few minor violations is not going to increase crime.

For one, it's the principal.

Two, YES, give a criminal an inch.

Tinted windows are dangerous and should be enforced. It's dangerous to drive at night, dangerous for other drivers and VERY dangerous for police officers.

You're letting your emotions take over. Think rationally.

For one, I am black. So thank you for pandering to me. I don't need your help or support. In fact, many of my friends all agree this is an idiotic proposal. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society led by white tree huggers who pander thinking they are helping me and my family. We are all in this together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/8/20060608-121304-5477r/

George Porter, 51, a taxi driver and lifelong D.C. resident, said he hasn’t seen many cameras in Northwest. However, he said he’s noticed quite a few on heavily traveled roads in Northeast and Southeast, including Benning Avenue Northeast — a freewaylike thoroughfare which is not located in a residential area but has a 30 mph speed limit.

“That one just seems excessive to me,” Mr. Porter said. “There’s no way you’re going to hurt a pedestrian there.”

James Cole, 46, who was born and raised in the District, said he thinks commuter routes are the program’s primary target, but the lack of cameras outside of the eastern half of the city lends credence to the claims of racial disparity.

Don't speed and you don't get a ticket..how is that hard?

There are speed cameras all over Potomac and Bethesda - a majority white area. They are all over the Palisades - a majority white area. It's not rocket science.

It's also not rocket science that they have not reduced accidents or injury. It's a way to make money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

Not PP but your comments are the absurd ones. How in a million years can ANYONE disagree that this plan is stupid. These are all safety issues and simple fixes. If you violate these you should be pulled over and given one warning. Get it fixed and you are good.

There is no logical explanation for supporting these other than some bizarre ideological pet project.

I guess I will not pay the registration fee because why would I? Why would the county even require registration if it's not enforced? Pure stupidity at the highest level.

It does get enforced if you get stopped for something else.

Plus you need to have it registered for other reasons, like insurance

Sorry you don't like my opinions. I disagree with you. Think about why that upsets you so much

It upsets me because it's pure pandering. I follow the rules and pay my dues but others can just ignore the rules and get away with it. What does that say about our system? People essentially get penalized for obeying the law...penalized as in, our communities are getting overrun with crime and we need to just accept that? What for?

I am with you PP.

Local politicians act emotionally rather than logically. I sure hope come the next election our residents wake up to the mess that is being created. Safety is paramount to all.

"Emotional" is the new code for people who care about racist policing.

So according to you, the majority of people not following the rules are POC? What is racist about about not registering your car? What is racist about not fixing a headlamp?

The racist cops use it as an excuse to pull over POC.