What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

So Biden has no good options in Ukraine, amirite, MAGAs? I dunno, but it looks like Ukraine is doing pretty well. It's awfully nice have a capable ally on the doorstep of Russia. Maybe Ukraine will be the next South Korea. Let's just hope the MAGAs don't try to withhold defense funding again to a worthy ally.

[Anonymous]

Let's not crow, people.

The tides of war can change quickly. This may not be the beginning of the end.

I do not doubt that Russia will lose this war. However, like a poster above said, my greatest fear is that in their retreat they will sabotage the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. The Russian equivalent of salting the ground.

I lived as a child in Germany when Chernobyl clouds passed over us and cow's milk had some contaminants. Since then, I and countless other people living in that area have had thyroid issues. I needed mine removed.

A nuclear disaster would be catastrophic for millions of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putin on the verge of an historic, humiliating defeat in Donetsk region. Russian logistics and command/control in shambles. And it’s hard to figure out how Russia will reestablish something approaching a “front line” for a defensive posture. It’s a nightmare politically for him. When does he push Belarus to open another front?

Belarus itself will be the next front. Need to save face because they're in shambles and panicking.

Belorussian are going to Poland and joining the Ukrainians to fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Let's not crow, people.

The tides of war can change quickly. This may not be the beginning of the end.

I do not doubt that Russia will lose this war. However, like a poster above said, my greatest fear is that in their retreat they will sabotage the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. The Russian equivalent of salting the ground.

I lived as a child in Germany when Chernobyl clouds passed over us and cow's milk had some contaminants. Since then, I and countless other people living in that area have had thyroid issues. I needed mine removed.

A nuclear disaster would be catastrophic for millions of people.

Oh I fully expect this. I could even see Russian launching an ICBM or the like. It all depends on what they think NATO will do if they actually follow through.

[Anonymous]

Ukraine will take Russian oil and gas field soon. Europe will rejoice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Let's not crow, people.

The tides of war can change quickly. This may not be the beginning of the end.

I do not doubt that Russia will lose this war. However, like a poster above said, my greatest fear is that in their retreat they will sabotage the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. The Russian equivalent of salting the ground.

I lived as a child in Germany when Chernobyl clouds passed over us and cow's milk had some contaminants. Since then, I and countless other people living in that area have had thyroid issues. I needed mine removed.

A nuclear disaster would be catastrophic for millions of people.

Oh I fully expect this. I could even see Russian launching an ICBM or the like. It all depends on what they think NATO will do if they actually follow through.

PP you replied to. Be careful with your European travels. Be ready to return at a moment's notice. What populations learned during the Chernobyl disaster is that our governments lied to us. They all pretended it wasn't a big deal, that we could eat and drink products from the land, and some leaders even went so far as to lie and say the nuclear clouds had not crossed over into their region. If this happens again in Europe, DO NOT believe politicians and just return to the US.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I agree (I'm the PP). I think it's a really dangerous time for Ukraine and anyone in Europe. No one likes to be humiliated and this is humiliating for Russia. It does though make the Democrats look "strong on defense", not that it matters to the MAGA crowd anymore. I think my comments were more directed at the pessimists rooting for Ukraine's demise and to show that Biden made a terrible foreign policy decision. Instead, it looks like supporting Ukraine was the right move. It unified NATO, strengthened western alliances, has allowed the U.S. to test out all kinds of new weapons and at a relatively low cost to the U.S. (and without loss of U.S. lives), has revealed that Russia's military was nothing but a paper tiger, has isolated Russia economically and politically, and has potentially provided the U.S. with a resilient ally on Russia's doorstep. I don't at all want to discount the terrible consequences that this has been to Ukraine though. I think I'm just venting my frustrations with Trump and the MAGA crowd who supported Putin and other dictators like him.

[Anonymous]

The Russians deserve to be humiliated. They brought this on themselves. they effed around and found out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I agree (I'm the PP). I think it's a really dangerous time for Ukraine and anyone in Europe. No one likes to be humiliated and this is humiliating for Russia. It does though make the Democrats look "strong on defense", not that it matters to the MAGA crowd anymore. I think my comments were more directed at the pessimists rooting for Ukraine's demise and to show that Biden made a terrible foreign policy decision. Instead, it looks like supporting Ukraine was the right move. It unified NATO, strengthened western alliances, has allowed the U.S. to test out all kinds of new weapons and at a relatively low cost to the U.S. (and without loss of U.S. lives), has revealed that Russia's military was nothing but a paper tiger, has isolated Russia economically and politically, and has potentially provided the U.S. with a resilient ally on Russia's doorstep. I don't at all want to discount the terrible consequences that this has been to Ukraine though. I think I'm just venting my frustrations with Trump and the MAGA crowd who supported Putin and other dictators like him.

Right. Understood.

For a European like me, the positive long term consequence is that it makes us less dependent on Russia for energy, forces us to re-examine all our buildings' insulation and energy use, diversify energy sources and *hopefully* hasten our switch to renewables... unfortunately with talks of drilling in the short-term. I really hope we can find alternatives to that. Also, nuclear plants as "clean" energy isn't really clean long-term, since we haven't yet found a way to safely dispose of nuclear waste anywhere on this planet. How long until we designate a satellite in outer space to be our nuclear dumpster (and then promptly have one of our space shuttles crash into it)?

But all this is moot if we get a catastrophic nuclear event.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I agree (I'm the PP). I think it's a really dangerous time for Ukraine and anyone in Europe. No one likes to be humiliated and this is humiliating for Russia. It does though make the Democrats look "strong on defense", not that it matters to the MAGA crowd anymore. I think my comments were more directed at the pessimists rooting for Ukraine's demise and to show that Biden made a terrible foreign policy decision. Instead, it looks like supporting Ukraine was the right move. It unified NATO, strengthened western alliances, has allowed the U.S. to test out all kinds of new weapons and at a relatively low cost to the U.S. (and without loss of U.S. lives), has revealed that Russia's military was nothing but a paper tiger, has isolated Russia economically and politically, and has potentially provided the U.S. with a resilient ally on Russia's doorstep. I don't at all want to discount the terrible consequences that this has been to Ukraine though. I think I'm just venting my frustrations with Trump and the MAGA crowd who supported Putin and other dictators like him.

Half of what you wrote is lies. The other half, well....I am sure Ukrainians are super pleased Americans were able to use their misery to test out new weapons. Hey, Raytheon's stock is up and I'm sure that's all that matters to you.

I mean how dumb do you have to be to call Russia's military a paper tiger and Ukraine a capable, resilient ally when Ukraine could not fight without assistance?

Finally, support for dictatorships is not limited to the "MAGA crowd" - every single American president, R or D, has gone on to Riyadh to fellate the Al-Saud, and the present one is no exception so please don't lie that America has a problem with dictatorships. They get along just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I agree (I'm the PP). I think it's a really dangerous time for Ukraine and anyone in Europe. No one likes to be humiliated and this is humiliating for Russia. It does though make the Democrats look "strong on defense", not that it matters to the MAGA crowd anymore. I think my comments were more directed at the pessimists rooting for Ukraine's demise and to show that Biden made a terrible foreign policy decision. Instead, it looks like supporting Ukraine was the right move. It unified NATO, strengthened western alliances, has allowed the U.S. to test out all kinds of new weapons and at a relatively low cost to the U.S. (and without loss of U.S. lives), has revealed that Russia's military was nothing but a paper tiger, has isolated Russia economically and politically, and has potentially provided the U.S. with a resilient ally on Russia's doorstep. I don't at all want to discount the terrible consequences that this has been to Ukraine though. I think I'm just venting my frustrations with Trump and the MAGA crowd who supported Putin and other dictators like him.

Half of what you wrote is lies. The other half, well....I am sure Ukrainians are super pleased Americans were able to use their misery to test out new weapons. Hey, Raytheon's stock is up and I'm sure that's all that matters to you.

I mean how dumb do you have to be to call Russia's military a paper tiger and Ukraine a capable, resilient ally when Ukraine could not fight without assistance?

Finally, support for dictatorships is not limited to the "MAGA crowd" - every single American president, R or D, has gone on to Riyadh to fellate the Al-Saud, and the present one is no exception so please don't lie that America has a problem with dictatorships. They get along just fine.

I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is the “Istanbul talks” poster?
Don’t you wanna come back and regale us with more hot takes?
😂

Not sure why you're laughing - if the Istanbul talks succeeded, there'd be no need to liberate Izyum, would there?

But I am pleased this war has extended your knowledge of geography, as you so confidently type out the names of cities you didn't know existed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I agree (I'm the PP). I think it's a really dangerous time for Ukraine and anyone in Europe. No one likes to be humiliated and this is humiliating for Russia. It does though make the Democrats look "strong on defense", not that it matters to the MAGA crowd anymore. I think my comments were more directed at the pessimists rooting for Ukraine's demise and to show that Biden made a terrible foreign policy decision. Instead, it looks like supporting Ukraine was the right move. It unified NATO, strengthened western alliances, has allowed the U.S. to test out all kinds of new weapons and at a relatively low cost to the U.S. (and without loss of U.S. lives), has revealed that Russia's military was nothing but a paper tiger, has isolated Russia economically and politically, and has potentially provided the U.S. with a resilient ally on Russia's doorstep. I don't at all want to discount the terrible consequences that this has been to Ukraine though. I think I'm just venting my frustrations with Trump and the MAGA crowd who supported Putin and other dictators like him.

Half of what you wrote is lies. The other half, well....I am sure Ukrainians are super pleased Americans were able to use their misery to test out new weapons. Hey, Raytheon's stock is up and I'm sure that's all that matters to you.

I mean how dumb do you have to be to call Russia's military a paper tiger and Ukraine a capable, resilient ally when Ukraine could not fight without assistance?

Finally, support for dictatorships is not limited to the "MAGA crowd" - every single American president, R or D, has gone on to Riyadh to fellate the Al-Saud, and the present one is no exception so please don't lie that America has a problem with dictatorships. They get along just fine.

I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just posted.

Please go ahead and say something Americans usually say about their love affair with the Gulf dictatorships - oh this is completely different because....something.

[Anonymous]

The US isn’t giving the UKA any new weapons to test out. Putin has lost tens of thousands of troops and has no C2, such that when troops were moved south to reinforce the Kherson Oblast it left a gaping hole for the UKA to exploit. This is Ukrainians fighting for Ukraine. The amount of ammo, fuel and equipment abandoned by the Russians will boggle the mind. The UKA, although dwarfed by Russians, has excellent logistics, training and relies on modern NATO kinetic tactics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US isn’t giving the UKA any new weapons to test out. Putin has lost tens of thousands of troops and has no C2, such that when troops were moved south to reinforce the Kherson Oblast it left a gaping hole for the UKA to exploit. This is Ukrainians fighting for Ukraine. The amount of ammo, fuel and equipment abandoned by the Russians will boggle the mind. The UKA, although dwarfed by Russians, has excellent logistics, training and relies on modern NATO kinetic tactics.

The forces in the forces in the field are fairly even. Russia is a big place and takes a lot of troops just to man border areas.