NC medical student brags on Twitter about deliberately harming patient who mocked her pronoun pin

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

I don't know we've managed to have doctors without pronouns on their pins for hundreds + years.

What else should we include. Who they like to sex? Favorite ice cream?

The work place is not a dating profile.

And this does little to curb bigotry. Reports pps have posted are flawed.

And the med student should be relieved of her position. She doesn't have what it takes.

I taught preschool for a few years. I introduced myself to my students and parents while wearing a name tag that clearly identified my gender (it said "Ms. Larla"). My own preschool teachers also asked to be addressed as "Miss".

If my 3 year old students can handle being told someone's gender, I think most adults should be mature enough to manage it.

Right -- but that's not what's happening now. Now your name tag says "Ms. Larla," you clearly "present" as female, and your nametag ALSO includes your preference for female pronouns. I will absolutely be respectful and call anyone by the name and pronouns he or she or xe chooses. But some of this seems so performative to me that it is just silly.

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Imagine spending all that time and money to be out of a career before even starting

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

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What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

I work in a medical setting and no one here wears a pin announcing their pronouns. We have 3 trans patients right now. I personally don’t think it’s necessary. Patients usually tell us what they prefer to be called. “Hi Mr. Smith!”…”Oh, please call me Bob.”

+1 I’m a nurse and I haven’t seen any other nurses or doctors wear pronoun pins at work. Our patients gender identity and preferred pronouns if known show up on the medical charting system we use. I’ve only encountered a couple transgender patients in the past year and I make sure I’m using their preferred pronoun. But I personally don’t think it’s necessary for everyone to walk around with a pronoun pin on considering most of us are clearly cisgender. This may be different though if you’re working in a setting with a larger transgender population but overall they make up a tiny percentage of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:All y'all claiming to have never been petty at work or done something intentionally wrong to slight a customer/vendor/coworker are lying!

When someone is pinging me every 5 minutes for a request, that request goes to the bottom of my To Do list. You'll probably get your request answered at 4:57 as I log out for the day.

Well it's a good thing you aren't a doctor or nurse.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine spending all that time and money to be out of a career before even starting

Is there an update that she was expelled? Because if not, everything I read sounds like WF is covering for her and plans to sweep this under the rug. The brief "leave" is just b.s. spin.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL the only place this is making the rounds is conservative "news" sites. Also you posted this on YouBeMom last night, in addition to the tweet from Rand Paul's wife which is listed as a similar tweet to this. How many mommy boards are you spamming with your bullshit?

It's the most popular topic on several pre-med / med student message boards, with the majority echoing that she ought to be expelled and never practice medicine. Lots of "students have been kicked out of medical school for far less."

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Anonymous wrote:Student will get married and change her last name. Fin.

She can change her name now. Like that rich girl at Penn did so Rhodes wouldn't know her mom was a rich MD.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a student. Looks like an effective lesson that will serve her well in her future career. Everyone makes mistakes.

She graduated from UVA in 2017, so has to be about 26. That is not a child, particularly if she is going into medicine.

Oh, this makes me mad that she graduated from my school. I absolutely HATE it when jerks like her are associated with my school. UVA needs to do a better job vetting applicants.

UVA, huh? Sooooo one or both parents are doctors, she's a bratty snob who looks down her nose at anyone poor and/or lower class but does all of this theatrical progressive woke activism posturing to signal she's "down". So cringe.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine spending all that time and money to be out of a career before even starting

Is there an update that she was expelled? Because if not, everything I read sounds like WF is covering for her and plans to sweep this under the rug. The brief "leave" is just b.s. spin.

Nothing official but I have heard people plan on pushing it until something is done.

Honestly, the school is foolish to keep her pronouns aside she has terrible judgement posting what she did on line. Every single medical and healthcare program has a policy about posting this kind of thing online . She gets away with it and they will have no leg to stand on for future violation

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I feel like listing your pronouns under your name, in your email for instance, is simply superfluous for the 99% of people who have gendered names. If your name is Amanda, you are most likely she/her. If you are the very rare man named Amanda, then by all means include "he/him" after your name. Most trans people change their name to a gendered name of the sex they identify with. I dont' understand the need to list pronouns also.

Of course, pronouns might be helpful when corresponding with Sams, Teagans, and Corys.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like listing your pronouns under your name, in your email for instance, is simply superfluous for the 99% of people who have gendered names. If your name is Amanda, you are most likely she/her. If you are the very rare man named Amanda, then by all means include "he/him" after your name. Most trans people change their name to a gendered name of the sex they identify with. I dont' understand the need to list pronouns also.

Of course, pronouns might be helpful when corresponding with Sams, Teagans, and Corys.

I’m a Chris. My email signature says

(Ms) Chris Smith

Problem solved. I’ll be damned if I’ll ever resort to displaying pronouns. What an insult!

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine spending all that time and money to be out of a career before even starting

Is there an update that she was expelled? Because if not, everything I read sounds like WF is covering for her and plans to sweep this under the rug. The brief "leave" is just b.s. spin.

Nothing official but I have heard people plan on pushing it until something is done.

Honestly, the school is foolish to keep her pronouns aside she has terrible judgement posting what she did on line. Every single medical and healthcare program has a policy about posting this kind of thing online . She gets away with it and they will have no leg to stand on for future violation

Which people? The book-banning POSs?

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Anonymous wrote:If someone wants to self identify she/her or he/him, fine. However, “they” is a plural and I refuse to use it in place of a singular pronoun. (just my little grammar soapbox)

Oh please no. What do you want non-binary people to ask us to use instead? Ze/zim? They is a good option, trust me.

They need to pick one, like the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL the only place this is making the rounds is conservative "news" sites. Also you posted this on YouBeMom last night, in addition to the tweet from Rand Paul's wife which is listed as a similar tweet to this. How many mommy boards are you spamming with your bullshit?

It's the most popular topic on several pre-med / med student message boards, with the majority echoing that she ought to be expelled and never practice medicine. Lots of "students have been kicked out of medical school for far less."

For less than a dumb tweet?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like listing your pronouns under your name, in your email for instance, is simply superfluous for the 99% of people who have gendered names. If your name is Amanda, you are most likely she/her. If you are the very rare man named Amanda, then by all means include "he/him" after your name. Most trans people change their name to a gendered name of the sex they identify with. I dont' understand the need to list pronouns also.

Of course, pronouns might be helpful when corresponding with Sams, Teagans, and Corys.

-1. I corresponds by email at work most of the times. I have not added my preferred pronouns to my signature yet although many colleagues have done it recently. You have a very limited experience if you think you only corresponds with Maries and Amandas. I corresponds with clients, colleagues ( on same side or opposite side), professionals in a gov agency. I cannot count the times I googled somebody’s name to find a photo or something to understand if I had to say Ms or Mr. same names can be either in English but tons of names are not typical Anglo Saxon names. With the pronoun at the end of an email makes a lot easier to respond appropriately. This is even more useful when corresponding with foreigners . A female colleague kept receiving email addresses to Mr because foreign colleagues through her last name (which is a male first name) was her name. It is just easy when you correspond with people you don’t know