NC medical student brags on Twitter about deliberately harming patient who mocked her pronoun pin

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Anonymous wrote:I think her attitude was less "I did it on purpose" and more "I'm a med. student who missed the vein on the first stick. Ah, well!" Which, still not appropriate and deserves to be reprimanded but GOP news sources are acting like she amputated the guy's leg or something on purpose. She was cavalier about a common occurrence that causes no longterm harm. It was insensitive.

It’s true it’s commonplace to miss the vein and it doesn’t cause long term harm. But her attitude was beyond cavalier. She acted like it was funny and implied it was fitting, and served the fellow, who wasn’t woke, right. You would expect that she might feel bad, but she doesn’t appear to feel remorse. That is what is problematic for a future health care professional.

Exactly. The posters defending her or calling other posters RWNJ or bigots need to grow up.

Are you saying that Rand Paul’s wife is not a RWNJ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think her attitude was less "I did it on purpose" and more "I'm a med. student who missed the vein on the first stick. Ah, well!" Which, still not appropriate and deserves to be reprimanded but GOP news sources are acting like she amputated the guy's leg or something on purpose. She was cavalier about a common occurrence that causes no longterm harm. It was insensitive.

It’s true it’s commonplace to miss the vein and it doesn’t cause long term harm. But her attitude was beyond cavalier. She acted like it was funny and implied it was fitting, and served the fellow, who wasn’t woke, right. You would expect that she might feel bad, but she doesn’t appear to feel remorse. That is what is problematic for a future health care professional.

Exactly. The posters defending her or calling other posters RWNJ or bigots need to grow up.

I reported a post for calling others bigots when it was unwarranted and Jeff deleted some of the other posts. Telling a poster on this thread to "die in a ditch bigot" for disagreeing with pronoun pins is an actual nut job.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know if she was rich from birth to 18 but the culture of UVA is rich coastal elitism, then she ends up at private elite college Wake Forest for medical school. So she's been in an elitist coastal bubble for at least 8 years. Safe bet she despises flyover state trash and rubes in general. The really terrifying thing is to consider all of her actions, decisions, and thoughts she wasn't dumb enough to tweet.

I'm from North Carolina. Kind of rude you think North Carolinians are "flyover state trash and rubes."

I'm a new poster and agree that is really rude. But at the risk of being rude myself, I'm pretty amused at UVA being describedd "rich" and "coastal" and that Wake Forest has been described as "elite." "Flyover Land" is what you fly over between NYC and LA. Neither southern VA or North Carolina even gets flown over.

Wake Forest and UVA are elite college bubbles full of born privileged UMC and rich kids. Many if not the overwhelming majority of the students at both despise the unwashed locals from the fairly downtrodden region. Once you get out of the college bubble, the region around both schools gets pretty backwater in a hurry. But I guess we can play pretend the guy she apparently purposely poked was some affluent clean cut businessman in a $1,500 Hugo Boss suit and not like some uneducated trashy maga local without a pot to piss in.

LMFAO at you saying Winston-Salem and Charlottesville are "fairly downtrodden" cities full of "unwashed locals." Sweetie, those are two of the most affluent areas in the country.

Seriously. I am from NC, went to college in VA, so a lot of NC/VA kids and everyone from Winston-Salem and Charlottesville was rich. Most of them went to private school, but the two who went to public school were also rich. Bizarre pp is trying to claim that, oh, people from Winston-Salem are poor MAGAs, and the med student was abusing them!!!

Bizarre? It's US Census data. The avg home is $150k, half the town rents, median income is $29k, 20% below the poverty line. Outside of the WF bubble, it's a bleak place. Which is why this privileged student is going to get away with it. No doubt the victim is some low class white guy, so he doesn't really matter to the Ivory Tower elites.

My parents' home is $300k and my dad made $800k last year. That's just how it is in second-tier cities where the property values are lower than in NYC/DC/SF/Philly.

Are you the same poster who took offense on behalf of your not-even-fly-over-land state before? Winston-Salem is a "second-tier" city? Then what's a third-tier city! There are a lot of factors that could reasonably determine tiers, but I'm not sure DC and SF would stay in the first tier in all systems, and there's no way Philadelphia belongs there. Philadelphia could generously be called second tier, maybe. I don't know, Winston, NC is not top three, wherever it should fall. That doesn't mean there isn't some local money, but come on... it's not much of a place and most of us will never have reason to go there.

I am not that poster but "second-" tier city is a real estate term. Cities are actual cities like NYC and SF. Yes, DC and Philly would be included. Boston and Chicago too. Second-tier cities are smaller cities. She's not objectively ranking cities and then making tiers. My dh is in real estate and uses this term frequently. DC is a city. When we visit my parents in Cincinnati, that is a second-tier city. There are no third- and fourth- and fifth-tiers. It's just big cities and then smaller cities.

The Piedmont Triad is the manufacturing hub of the southeast, so many of us do travel there for work frequently. It's a nice area. Weird how you are arguing that it's trashy while simultaneously arguing that only woke liberal elites think the entire southeast is trashy...meanwhile several of us are trying to tell you that Winston-Salem is quite lovely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think her attitude was less "I did it on purpose" and more "I'm a med. student who missed the vein on the first stick. Ah, well!" Which, still not appropriate and deserves to be reprimanded but GOP news sources are acting like she amputated the guy's leg or something on purpose. She was cavalier about a common occurrence that causes no longterm harm. It was insensitive.

It’s true it’s commonplace to miss the vein and it doesn’t cause long term harm. But her attitude was beyond cavalier. She acted like it was funny and implied it was fitting, and served the fellow, who wasn’t woke, right. You would expect that she might feel bad, but she doesn’t appear to feel remorse. That is what is problematic for a future health care professional.

Exactly. The posters defending her or calling other posters RWNJ or bigots need to grow up.

Are you saying that Rand Paul’s wife is not a RWNJ?

She may be a libertarian nutjob.

[Anonymous]

Yes, when I think of squalid regions of the countries where opioid-addled MAGAs gather to be racist and homophobic, I think of Winston-Salem, the technology and finance HQ of the mid-atlantic and south.

Ffs. That's like saying Austin, Texas or Atlanta, Georgia are full of "rubes."

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

Not sure that anyone is truly defending this girl or her actions, just saying that it's not the big deal the republicans in this thread are presenting it as

There are definitely people defending her.

Who is defending her?

Obviously the tweet was a mistake. But the response from conservatives is over-the-top. “Victim”?

The posters who keep calling other people names and telling them to die in a ditch, etc, while simultaneously insisting—absent any supporting facts—that the stick was unintentional are absolutely defending her.

We cannot know with the facts provided whether the stick was unintentional or not. But her defenders can’t even be honest about that reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I think her attitude was less "I did it on purpose" and more "I'm a med. student who missed the vein on the first stick. Ah, well!" Which, still not appropriate and deserves to be reprimanded but GOP news sources are acting like she amputated the guy's leg or something on purpose. She was cavalier about a common occurrence that causes no longterm harm. It was insensitive.

RWNJ call to arms.

Lol I had to google RWNJ.

Yeah I work in healthcare administration, my boss is an MD and I just can't imagine her having this attitude about taking a couple tries to stick someone. It happens all the time, esp. in older patients who are already in the hospital (dehydrated, not great blood flow, etc.) but it's not comfortable and most doctors/nurses would be SUPER apologetic about it. The med. student's attitude was blase about it, which isn't good, though I'm sure most nurses (doctors usually don't do IVs) who had an annoying patient would go home and make a remark like that to their family - "Annoying patient. Took me a couple times to stick him. Ah, well!" It doesn't belong in a public forum. She deserves to be reprimanded for that. She does not deserve to lose everything she has worked for, and no, her being canceled is not "Amazing" as someone up thread posted.

Even if her attitude was shitty - which it was - I don't believe she did it on purpose and it wasn't a risk to the guy's longterm health and wellbeing.

She absolutely does deserve to lose her position. This isn't kindergarten. This is the real world and actions have real consequences. I can promise you if she's allowed to get off with basically a finger wag she's going to be trouble in the future.

Oh wow, a random lady online can promise me that this girl will be trouble in the future? Better call Wake Forest Baptist Hospital, then.

Seriously, I will remember this thread next time some Republican gets canceled for accidentally using the wrong pronoun or some shit.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

Not sure that anyone is truly defending this girl or her actions, just saying that it's not the big deal the republicans in this thread are presenting it as

There are definitely people defending her.

Who is defending her?

Obviously the tweet was a mistake. But the response from conservatives is over-the-top. “Victim”?

The posters who keep calling other people names and telling them to die in a ditch, etc, while simultaneously insisting—absent any supporting facts—that the stick was unintentional are absolutely defending her.

We cannot know with the facts provided whether the stick was unintentional or not. But her defenders can’t even be honest about that reality.

Uh, I've said in this thread multiple times that we can't prove whether or not the stick was intentional. Saying that she doesn't deserve to lose her career over this is not defending her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, when I think of squalid regions of the countries where opioid-addled MAGAs gather to be racist and homophobic, I think of Winston-Salem, the technology and finance HQ of the mid-atlantic and south.

Ffs. That's like saying Austin, Texas or Atlanta, Georgia are full of "rubes."

Interesting how these cities were full of liberal elites when they went to Biden in 2020 but now OP is suddenly convinced they're full of poor Trump voters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

I would not be calling for her expulsion. I would be hoping that the medical school didn't cave to the woke mob and "cancel" a dumb 20something over an opportunity to correct not only that student, but her peers. Just as I am currently hoping that the medical school doesn't cave to the GQP mob and cancel her.

I have a difficult time believing that you would be on the side of the patient in your reversed hypothetical. More likely you would be ranting in the Daily Wire comment section about how the patient was a snowflake.

I think the pronoun pin is dumb. Don't support pronoun pins, email signatures, etc. I don't think this medical student deserves to have her life ruined over a tweet.

Well, I don’t think a pronoun pin is dumb (I can see the purpose) but I also don’t believe you that if the scenario was reversed you (and her other supporters on this thread) wouldn’t be calling for her immediate expulsion. Do you honestly think the PP who keeps calling people names and told someone else to die in a ditch would be measured and calm in that situation? They’d be acting worse than the Republicans calling for expulsion now are — at least the Republicans are not issuing the poor girl death threats, they just want her expelled. If the scenario was the opposite, she would be receiving death threats from a subset of transactivists as they have a long and widely known history of sending death and rape threats to women they disagree with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

I would not be calling for her expulsion. I would be hoping that the medical school didn't cave to the woke mob and "cancel" a dumb 20something over an opportunity to correct not only that student, but her peers. Just as I am currently hoping that the medical school doesn't cave to the GQP mob and cancel her.

I have a difficult time believing that you would be on the side of the patient in your reversed hypothetical. More likely you would be ranting in the Daily Wire comment section about how the patient was a snowflake.

I think the pronoun pin is dumb. Don't support pronoun pins, email signatures, etc. I don't think this medical student deserves to have her life ruined over a tweet.

Well, I don’t think a pronoun pin is dumb (I can see the purpose) but I also don’t believe you that if the scenario was reversed you (and her other supporters on this thread) wouldn’t be calling for her immediate expulsion. Do you honestly think the PP who keeps calling people names and told someone else to die in a ditch would be measured and calm in that situation? They’d be acting worse than the Republicans calling for expulsion now are — at least the Republicans are not issuing the poor girl death threats, they just want her expelled. If the scenario was the opposite, she would be receiving death threats from a subset of transactivists as they have a long and widely known history of sending death and rape threats to women they disagree with.

She does not deserve to be expelled. Full-stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

Not sure that anyone is truly defending this girl or her actions, just saying that it's not the big deal the republicans in this thread are presenting it as

There are definitely people defending her.

Who is defending her?

Obviously the tweet was a mistake. But the response from conservatives is over-the-top. “Victim”?

The posters who keep calling other people names and telling them to die in a ditch, etc, while simultaneously insisting—absent any supporting facts—that the stick was unintentional are absolutely defending her.

We cannot know with the facts provided whether the stick was unintentional or not. But her defenders can’t even be honest about that reality.

Uh, I've said in this thread multiple times that we can't prove whether or not the stick was intentional. Saying that she doesn't deserve to lose her career over this is not defending her.

Fine but there are multiple posters (or maybe one prolific poster) who are repeatedly insisting it was unintentional. You are being deliberately obtuse by ignoring them. They are absolutely defending her, and yet if the scenario was reversed, they’d absolutely be calling loudly for expulsion. Come on. You know this is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think her attitude was less "I did it on purpose" and more "I'm a med. student who missed the vein on the first stick. Ah, well!" Which, still not appropriate and deserves to be reprimanded but GOP news sources are acting like she amputated the guy's leg or something on purpose. She was cavalier about a common occurrence that causes no longterm harm. It was insensitive.

It’s true it’s commonplace to miss the vein and it doesn’t cause long term harm. But her attitude was beyond cavalier. She acted like it was funny and implied it was fitting, and served the fellow, who wasn’t woke, right. You would expect that she might feel bad, but she doesn’t appear to feel remorse. That is what is problematic for a future health care professional.

Exactly. The posters defending her or calling other posters RWNJ or bigots need to grow up.

I reported a post for calling others bigots when it was unwarranted and Jeff deleted some of the other posts. Telling a poster on this thread to "die in a ditch bigot" for disagreeing with pronoun pins is an actual nut job.

It wasn’t for “disagreeing with pronoun pins”. It was for walking out of a doctor’s office if someone was wearing a pin. If you walk away from medical care over something so trivial maybe there will be consequences. Karma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

Not sure that anyone is truly defending this girl or her actions, just saying that it's not the big deal the republicans in this thread are presenting it as

There are definitely people defending her.

Who is defending her?

Obviously the tweet was a mistake. But the response from conservatives is over-the-top. “Victim”?

The posters who keep calling other people names and telling them to die in a ditch, etc, while simultaneously insisting—absent any supporting facts—that the stick was unintentional are absolutely defending her.

We cannot know with the facts provided whether the stick was unintentional or not. But her defenders can’t even be honest about that reality.

Uh, I've said in this thread multiple times that we can't prove whether or not the stick was intentional. Saying that she doesn't deserve to lose her career over this is not defending her.

Fine but there are multiple posters (or maybe one prolific poster) who are repeatedly insisting it was unintentional. You are being deliberately obtuse by ignoring them. They are absolutely defending her, and yet if the scenario was reversed, they’d absolutely be calling loudly for expulsion. Come on. You know this is true.

That’s not “defending” - just calling out facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending her, let’s reverse the scenario. Let’s say that the patient wore a pronoun badge and the med student said something negative about it. Then the student missed a poke and tweeted about it. Wouldn’t you be calling for the student’s expulsion? Because I am pretty sure you would be, in fact very loudly so, which is why I flat out don’t believe you are engaging in a good faith defense.

I would not be calling for her expulsion. I would be hoping that the medical school didn't cave to the woke mob and "cancel" a dumb 20something over an opportunity to correct not only that student, but her peers. Just as I am currently hoping that the medical school doesn't cave to the GQP mob and cancel her.

I have a difficult time believing that you would be on the side of the patient in your reversed hypothetical. More likely you would be ranting in the Daily Wire comment section about how the patient was a snowflake.

I think the pronoun pin is dumb. Don't support pronoun pins, email signatures, etc. I don't think this medical student deserves to have her life ruined over a tweet.

Well, I don’t think a pronoun pin is dumb (I can see the purpose) but I also don’t believe you that if the scenario was reversed you (and her other supporters on this thread) wouldn’t be calling for her immediate expulsion. Do you honestly think the PP who keeps calling people names and told someone else to die in a ditch would be measured and calm in that situation? They’d be acting worse than the Republicans calling for expulsion now are — at least the Republicans are not issuing the poor girl death threats, they just want her expelled. If the scenario was the opposite, she would be receiving death threats from a subset of transactivists as they have a long and widely known history of sending death and rape threats to women they disagree with.

She does not deserve to be expelled. Full-stop.

But you know perfectly well that if the scenario was reversed, the same people defending this doctor would be calling for immediate expulsion and worse.