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I’m confused! Trans swimmers Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig went head-to-head in the pool
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Anonymous
Why aren’t trans women speaking up then when your advocacy groups are demanding that men be allowed to race against women? Where was the outcry from trans people when Biden passed an executive order requiring trans women to be allowed to compete against women in sports? You’re gaslighting us. You hide behind your lobbies and advocacy groups in eroding women’s rights and then you pretend you have no idea how it happened. |
Anonymous
You don’t realize that opinion is against you when you accuse posters that are definitely not nazis of being them just because their opinions is not one you like. |
Anonymous
I hide behind nothing and I advocate for nothing and would appreciate it if you don't make angry claims attacking me. I'm a regular person, not an angry advocate for or against trans issues. I just want to be able to use the bathroom when I need to pee, just like everyone else but a lot of TERFs seem to advocate for trans women to use the men's bathrooms and locker rooms. Do you want pre-op or post-op trans women and pre-op or post-op trans men changing in locker rooms in front of your husbands and sons? To me, it makes a lot more sense for them to change in a stall. I'm sure you don't want Laverne Cox changing next to your husband. |
Anonymous
Np. This thread isn’t about trans women in men’s spaces. It’s about how trans advocacy erodes women’s rights and comes at our expense. You need to stop trying to deflect and distract from that reality. Also, pre-op trans women have penises and grow up using men’s bathrooms. If men who decide to present in women’s clothes don’t feel safe in the men’s bathrooms they’ve been using their whole life, then men should be held accountable for that. The answer isn’t to invade women’s spaces and tell us to deal because you’re scared of men. |
Anonymous
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From the thread Jeff locked:
Lia Thomas is going to get to compete against women in the Ivy League championships even though Thomas doesn’t meet USA Swimming’s rules: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ivy-lea...e-at-conference-championships/ The whole point of the rule change was to acknowledge that the previous rule Thomas is swimming under wasn’t fair to biological women. USA Swimming explained the need for the new rule as follows: “At the elite level, a policy has been created for transgender athlete participation in the U.S. that relies on science and medical evidence-based methods to provide a level-playing field for elite cisgender women, and to mitigate the advantages associated with male puberty and physiology.” https://www.usaswimming.org/news/2022/02/01/usa-swimming-releases-athlete-inclusion-competitive-equity-and-eligibility-policy I don’t think this is fair. Allowing a transgender woman to keep an unfair advantage makes no sense. What’s the argument here — that Lia Thomas has gotten used to an uneven playing field and shouldn’t be made to compete on a more even playing field now? |
Anonymous
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US Swimming expressly made its new trans gender rules NOT applicable to NCAA swimming.
As far as US Swimming is concerned - there are no rules or requirements applicable to Thomas (or anyone else) swimming in college races. If Thomas wants to swim in an Olympic qualifier then she will need to meet US Swimming’s new rules (or more likely, whatever the IOC sets as the new rules that everyone will then follow). USA Swimming’s protocols for trans athlete participation involve only USA Swimming races and USA Swimming officials. |
Anonymous
This is the best response I've read in a while. I totally agree. Men should work on their behaviors not constantly push problems to women. |
Anonymous
USA Swimming's rules apply to USA Swimming athletes, which Lia Thomas is not. However, the NCAA recently stated that each sport needs to make their own policy and that they should follow the sport's national governing body (i.e. USA Swimming). At the moment, the NCAA rules have not been changed, which is why the Ivy League has stated she can compete in their conference meet. I think people expect they will be, and then will be the language of the USA Swimming policy. Will it be before or after national championships is a big question. |
Anonymous
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USA Swimming very specifically avoided getting into any application of their new rules on trans athlete participation with respect to colleges. Which was smart. Their rules apply to their events, and the trans athlete participation process is expressly geared to USA Swimming - including approval by a 3 member panel of USA Swimming appointees. That does not work for anyone other than USA Swimming. And, USA Swimming is treading water anyways waiting on the IOC.
So - basically - the only ruling from USA Swimming that applies is that NCAA events are not covered and therefore NO restrictions are applicable at all. If a person says they are MtF then they are and can participate as MtF. No requirements on hormones. No testing. Just participate. The end. Frankly - I am sure the NCAA does not care at all. In case you didn’t notice, the NCAA basically blew itself up at the same set of meetings. It is a the process of reconstruction and that may well - even likely we’ll - end the NCAA in its present format entirely. |
Anonymous
| Why aren't trans women sticking up for bio women? This feels so misogynistic. Bio men are literally trying to erase women's accomplishments. |
Anonymous
| FYI, the term TERF has gone from being a small, limited descriptor to derogatorily refer to older women in general. It is a generalized hate term now. People who use it are outing themselves as vicious misogynists. |
Anonymous
| The idea that biological women who have worked their butts off as athletes for years should step aside (i.e., give up the chance to attend a championship meet, make finals at that meet, place in their event, etc) for Lia Thomas--who completed as a male NCAA swimmer for 3 years--is preposterous, anti-woman, and, I believe, in violation of Title IX. Every woman in the country should be up in arms about this and should demand change now. |
Anonymous
I like to think of TERF as an acronym for Trying to Explain Reality to Fools. Only dimwitted morons overtaken by a ridiculous ideology would think transwomen competing in women's sports is fair. |
Anonymous
Np Calling us names isn't going to win us to your side. Women have legitimate concerns and we are tired of being to shut up and placed our needs last. |
Anonymous
| If anyone thinks calling me a TERF is really wounding my feelings, they’re even more delusional than I thought. |