Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+ 1 million.


Am I the only one that feels it's kind of insulting to act like people need this much "help" for basic life? Like if we don't provide full time school during a pandemic, your kids will go out and kill someone? When does this attitude start to backfire and becomes a self fulfilling prophecy? The narrative needs to change from "we need to help people more" to " people need to start being responsible for themselves and their behavior". At some point people need to make the right decisions regardless of what they claim is their victimhood status in a country that truly does offer so much opportunity. Not that it isn't harder for some, but empowering people to believe they can overcome those difficulties (see PP that is an EPA scientist despite much difficulty). That is the way to a better society for all. Not more government programs amongst the belief that people need someone other than family and community.

No, you’re definitely not the only one. I’m all for social programs to help people get through hard times, but there are entire sections of society who use these programs their entire lives. Decades ago, families would be mortified to be on welfare for years and years. Now, people feel entitled to it forever. It’s lazy. I mean, kids who see parents getting endless government assistance have no reason to think “gee, maybe I should go to school, follow the law, and find a job so i don’t end up like that.” yes, they are poor but they are getting by and receiving monthly checks without having to work. There is no motivation. The breakdown of families is at the root of the problem in my opinion-and government programs can’t replace good parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

Because when punishment is ineffective, you end up with adults on the streets killing innocent people like this: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/20-year-old-scholarship-student-gunned-down-by-stranger-outside-temple-hills-tattoo-parlor/2615919/?fbclid=IwAR3YUHPREa1l0ibzlJ3EEiEnSqE68R49hq0GR3UF0iyab4ze455kPhZbtis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

carjacking is an extremely dangerous trend that need to be stopped. I’m fine with these girls getting long punishments as an example. everyone has been saying for months that these juvenile carjackings were going to end up with someone dead. Meanwhile the apologists like Charles Allen were making absurd excuses like “the kids just needed a ride!” Well now it happened - the failure to take this crime trend seriously resulted in a death. Great job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

Because when punishment is ineffective, you end up with adults on the streets killing innocent people like this: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/20-year-old-scholarship-student-gunned-down-by-stranger-outside-temple-hills-tattoo-parlor/2615919/?fbclid=IwAR3YUHPREa1l0ibzlJ3EEiEnSqE68R49hq0GR3UF0iyab4ze455kPhZbtis

so sad

[Anonymous]

Good god. These kids killed a person. They deserve a harsh punishment. There are lots of other kids on the same path, and those parents need to step up and set their kids straight. Parents need to teach their kids that commuting crimes-whether it’s theft, drugs, murder-is not the way. Parents and families need to raise their kids. Government cannot do it for them. The ‘thug life’ seen in the inner city is perpetuated because of the breakdown of families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

Because when punishment is ineffective, you end up with adults on the streets killing innocent people like this: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/20-year-old-scholarship-student-gunned-down-by-stranger-outside-temple-hills-tattoo-parlor/2615919/?fbclid=IwAR3YUHPREa1l0ibzlJ3EEiEnSqE68R49hq0GR3UF0iyab4ze455kPhZbtis

Which is why the response should be focused on rehabilitation, counseling and other ways to help them -- not punishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

Also, I’d like you to tell the wife and children of the true victim-the driver-that the kids don’t deserve a harsh punishment because it may prevent them from being good parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Let's say in three or four or five years that same 13 year old I wrote about above, with no role models, becomes a parent. Do you think she will know enough "step up" and teach her child about the importance of education? Of course not. And that's how the cycle perpetuates.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

Because when punishment is ineffective, you end up with adults on the streets killing innocent people like this: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/20-year-old-scholarship-student-gunned-down-by-stranger-outside-temple-hills-tattoo-parlor/2615919/?fbclid=IwAR3YUHPREa1l0ibzlJ3EEiEnSqE68R49hq0GR3UF0iyab4ze455kPhZbtis

Which is why the response should be focused on rehabilitation, counseling and other ways to help them -- not punishment.

It needs to be both. It can't just be rehab and counseling. People need to start taking responsibility and ownership of their actions. That's the problem with the leftist approach these days. No punishment. Just rehab. No SROs- just counselors.

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Disadvantaged?

I’ll bet both girls had a cell phone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Let's say in three or four or five years that same 13 year old I wrote about above, with no role models, becomes a parent. Do you think she will know enough "step up" and teach her child about the importance of education? Of course not. And that's how the cycle perpetuates.

Well, in this case, these kids shouldn’t be pregnant in 4-5 years; they should be in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally.

+1000

There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself.

You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort.

I am not justifying murder. I'm not saying what happened is right or understandable. BUT imagine that you are a 13 year old born into a household/community where most people didn't even finish high school. You don't have the internet at home and your parents aren't actively participating in your school or helping with schoolwork. Your classes at school are too big for you to ever get any individual attention. So how would you know about these opportunities? You wouldn't, not unless someone were actively trying to educate and involve and motivate you. You see what you know, you behave accordingly, and in a few years you become a parent yourself and repeat the cycle. Some people are self starters who are able to get themselves out of poverty, but by far not all or even most.

I came here as a child and we lived in poverty for a while. But I had an advantage in that my parents were educated (equivalents of masters degrees in our former country). Even though at first they worked menial jobs and were gone all the time, they still supervised my grades/homework and knew when to step in. They also constantly stressed upon me the importance of a college degree. If they hadn't? I don't think I would have just figured it out.

That’s where parenting comes in. I don’t expect a 13 year old to know about every program, but the parents have a responsibility to their children. They should be ensuring the kids are in school, and not committing crimes. The breakdown of the inner city starts with the parents. Even if the parents don’t have an education of any sort, it is their job to ensure the kids get one. It’s also their job to ensure their kids aren’t criminals. Government cannot raise kids to be productive members of society-it’s up the parents. You were poor, and yet your parents made sure you went to school, knew where you were, etc. it doesn’t take a masters degree to parent. Bottom line, until parents step up, the cycle will continue.

I keep thinking about the this woman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-hs-student-fails-3-211655068.html

Her son didn’t go to high school for 4 years and she was shocked to learn that when it was time for him to graduate. Yes, the school should have contacted her about this, but ultimately, it is her responsibility to make sure her kid is in school. She doesn’t take any responsibility for this-she truly believes she is the victim. This victim mentality is what keeps the cycle going.

Ok, but how does punishing these girls as harshly as possible stop this cycle? All it means is that they will have even less likelihood of being responsible parents when the time arrives, just perpetuating the cycle.

it doesn't, but they are going to have a hard time killing another innocent if they are in jail for the next 50 years