Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park
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Anonymous
+2 Signed, an EPA Scientist that managed to get where I am today despite being raised by a single mom with a HS degree. Father was killed in Vietnam and my mother waited tables to raise me and my two siblings. Somehow, I managed to not carjack and murder a man along the way. |
Anonymous
| We actually need behavioral reform when these kids (and all their pals) are incarcerated. I'd like our Council to address what that looks like |
Anonymous
| I’m so tired of hearing about lack of opportunity for these kids. We live in a nation that offers free education for kids until they’re 18. DC has tuition assistance for college bound kids. Families can access food, health, and housing benefits. There are childcare credits, job training, social programs, and many charities that provide additional assistance. At some point we need to stop blaming ‘society’ and start looking at the families. Parents-mom AND dad-need to step up. Communities shouldn’t tolerate the crimes their children are committing. Parents need to be held accountable. We can throw a ton of money at the program, but it won’t help until people take personal responsibility for their choices and want to better their lives-legally. |
Anonymous
+1000 There are opportunities everywhere - if you're born in the US, you already have infinitely more privilege and opportunity than the rest of the world. Nobody's going to hold your hand through every step every day of your life - at some point you have to take charge and make good choices for yourself. You don't even have to be some kind of big success story, the bar is pretty low - just don't hurt/harm/kill another person. That's it. It's not hard and it really takes only minimal effort. |
Anonymous
+ 1 million. Am I the only one that feels it's kind of insulting to act like people need this much "help" for basic life? Like if we don't provide full time school during a pandemic, your kids will go out and kill someone? When does this attitude start to backfire and becomes a self fulfilling prophecy? The narrative needs to change from "we need to help people more" to " people need to start being responsible for themselves and their behavior". At some point people need to make the right decisions regardless of what they claim is their victimhood status in a country that truly does offer so much opportunity. Not that it isn't harder for some, but empowering people to believe they can overcome those difficulties (see PP that is an EPA scientist despite much difficulty). That is the way to a better society for all. Not more government programs amongst the belief that people need someone other than family and community. |
Anonymous
The constant stream of apologists who blame everything other than the perpetrators is endemic. It’s as though these two humans had no agency over their own actions and were simply programmed by their environment. That’s an insanely ignorant and cynical belief system that absolves any criminal from wrongdoing because they were simply victims of circumstance. Alternatively if you were a rational, critical thinker you could acknowledge that while environment undoubtedly impacts human development, humans also exist on a distribution of character, morality and honor. Some people cluster at the high end and lead wholesome, productive and honorable lives regardless of environment and some cluster at the low end and are simply evil people with no regard for laws, morality or even simple decency. |
Anonymous
It's almost like there's a common theme amongst all the people committing these crimes. If only I could put my finger on it.. |
Anonymous
Despite the challenges you faced, you almost certainly were raised in a far more stable (economically and otherwise) environment than the two girls here. |
Anonymous
' You spelled Stanford wrong, so that seems pretty unlikely. |
Anonymous
How do you know what kind of life those two girls have? So, the difference is that PP had a caring parent, but maybe those two girls didn't? This is insulting to every person who grew up with a "not caring parent" but who managed to not kill anyone. |
Anonymous
Ha! I came to post the same sentiment. My father was an abusive (like beat me and my brother regularly) alcoholic that was in and out of our lives my entire childhood. My mother was probably clinically depressed and essentially left us to raise ourselves in a house that would be condemned these days. We had no electricity for huge time periods. I used to steal food at 10. Think about that. And yet, I never killed anyone or stole a car. What is it with all the apologists? |
Anonymous
From what was said at the hearing, he'd actually exited the car and was trying to get back in. 13 year old likely panicked and, from the passenger seat, turned the ignition key and jammed what sounds like it must have been the gearstick forward, which caused the car to lurch suddenly forward and flip over. These kids should obviously be punished. If they were adults, our felony murder laws mean they could be tried for 1st degree murder notwithstanding the lack of any evidence of premeditation. But c'mon... Did they actually have premeditated intent to kill him? No chance. They brought a taser and let him get out of the car initially; then the 13 year old tried to drive away without him from the passenger seat, whereas the 15 year old in the driver's seat did not. |
Anonymous
This is so true! The bar is set so low - don’t kill or hurt people. I keep thinking about the victim (the driver, not the kids as some would think). He came from Pakistan-not exactly a land of opportunity, or social programs. He was trying to better his life for his family...and lost his life doing it, by two teenage girls who clearly have no respect for people or property. These children, and parents, have access to social programs, welfare programs, charity, free education, etc. and yet, what do they choose-an afternoon of joy riding and murder. |
Anonymous
Let's give them around 30 years in big girl jail. That seems fair. |
Anonymous
| There is something profoundly wrong with inner city culture that places so little value on human life. |