Who will be Governor of Maryland after Hogan?

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Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

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Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

It’s not moot to me. Good thing I can vote for someone who is pro choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

It’s not moot to me. Good thing I can vote for someone who is pro choice.

You certainly can and should, when you cast your ballot for state senate and assembly. Governor doesn’t matter that much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the closest to Hogan? I'm looking for a moderate!

Kelly Schulz will literally be an extension of Larry Hogan, and has my vote over the clown car of a democratic field.

Her major ding is that she’s a republican. Republicans like Larry Hogan don’t come by often.

She is not at all like Hogan. Hogan only won lasr time due to the untimely death of the Dem candidate. We aren't voting in Republicans again.

Kamenetz wasn’t favored to win the primary and if he did he would have lost, just like Ben Jealous. Keeping in mind that this was for Hogan’s second term.

For Hogan’s first term, he easily beat Anthony Brown who deserved to lose because he’s a terrible politician who has done nothing in his career to this point and has ascended state politics due to party machine backing. His main claim to fame at the time was bungling the state health care exchange, which was the only responsibility he’d been given as Lt Governor to O’Malley. Democrats might have had a chance to stop Hogan at the outset with Gansler. But the machine vote turned out for Brown. A similar thing happened with Erlich and Kennedy-Townsend, so it’s surprising that state Democrats refuse to learn their lesson. Erlich ended up being a terrible governor and lost to O’Malley and Hogan learned that lesson.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Dems learned from the Ben Jealous episode. They will go with the electable moderate, Franchot. It’s the same story in 2020 when Dems nominated Biden.

Franchot is terrible and anywhere else would be a republican.

Ive seen this on twitter and its so laughable.

A lifetime Takoma Park liberal with like a 40 year voting record to prove it. When he became the state comptroller he showed the slightest bit of fiscal moderatism, so now he is some kind of DINO? Get a grip on yourself. If anything the majority of the dem field is far t the elft of the actual MD electorate, hence Hogan's 70+ percent approval rating.

Right. Look at the debacle that was the Montgomery County budget this year. Absolutely no fiscal responsibility. When they say a budget is a "moral document," they just mean they play to people's emotions funding half-baked programs that don't work, but feel good to talk about. I'm dying for some fiscally responsible leadership. If fiscal responsibility is now called DINO, give me a DINO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

It’s not if legislature wants to enshrine new protections for abortion. And it’s not if she wants to get creative with executive orders and administrative action meant to make getting an abortion harder. She can’t outlaw abortion on her own, but she absolutely can be disruptive. There will be massive pressure on every Republican everywhere to do everything they can on this front.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

It’s not if legislature wants to enshrine new protections for abortion. And it’s not if she wants to get creative with executive orders and administrative action meant to make getting an abortion harder. She can’t outlaw abortion on her own, but she absolutely can be disruptive. There will be massive pressure on every Republican everywhere to do everything they can on this front.

Here are two important points. First, you may not know that bills in Maryland can become laws without Governor signature. Second, again, the Assembly has a veto-proof Democratic majority.

If there is pro-choice legislation that you fear won’t pass in Maryland, the answer would not be because of the Governor and it would not matter if the Governor was Democrat or Republican. Your concern would only be due to not trusting the Democrats in the Assembly to be as pro-choice as you are. And to br honest, generally speaking Maryland is a very centrists Democratic state so that fear is well founded but also does not put you in the mainstream

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I liked Hogan. I won’t vote for Schultz Bc of her abortion stance. I know she said she would respect the voters but I don’t trust her.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-schulz-abortion-20220518-uye5vf3guneflorxsphv6ee2sq-story.html

Her view on abortion is pretty mainstream for centrist Democrats and is even supported by the party. Even Steny Hoyer defends her stance as he has done for other Democrats with similar beliefs where he has said, “we're a diverse party. We have diverse opinions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoyer-jeffries-defend-backing-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-roe-abortion-2022-5?amp

Being personally against abortion but think the law shouldn’t change is pretty much aligned with a lot of Marylanders and as Governor, she wouldn’t be able to change the law universally anyway.

Yes Democrats can have a big tent approach for one random rep from TX, when he’s one vote amongst 430 or so. I care a lot more when there is one person who serves as a governor with veto power over legislation.

Schultz has voted pro life every single time. She’s never voted for any abortion rights bill as a state rep. She sponsored legislation in 2011 that would have effectively banned abortion in the state. She may say she respects MD voters and precedent but I’m not buying that again from any Republican.

Let’s stipulate that all of this is true. Why would you believe that the Assembly would not protect abortion rights?

Well it’s true. You can look up her record yourself. Or read any of the Sun or Post articles about this.

To override a governors veto, you need 3/5s of both houses. I’d rather not rely upon her spokesman’s word (which isn’t in her website or Twitter btw) or upon 3/5s of both houses overriding her veto when I can just as easily vote in a pro choice Democrat who will protect the right to choose.

The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the law. And Maryland had veto-proof Democratic majorities in both chambers. So even if she was intent on doing what you fear she will do, there is no way she could do it until a lot of other Maryland Democrats agree with her. So the issue is moot.

It’s not if legislature wants to enshrine new protections for abortion. And it’s not if she wants to get creative with executive orders and administrative action meant to make getting an abortion harder. She can’t outlaw abortion on her own, but she absolutely can be disruptive. There will be massive pressure on every Republican everywhere to do everything they can on this front.

Here are two important points. First, you may not know that bills in Maryland can become laws without Governor signature. Second, again, the Assembly has a veto-proof Democratic majority.

If there is pro-choice legislation that you fear won’t pass in Maryland, the answer would not be because of the Governor and it would not matter if the Governor was Democrat or Republican. Your concern would only be due to not trusting the Democrats in the Assembly to be as pro-choice as you are. And to br honest, generally speaking Maryland is a very centrists Democratic state so that fear is well founded but also does not put you in the mainstream

This addresses that legislation issue but not the executive/administrative action issue. A Republican governor with national ambitions (and what governor doesn't have national ambitions?) will be under enormous pressure to use the tools at their disposal to undermine abortion rights (not to mention LGBTQ civil rights). And there's a Supreme Court majority ready and willing to back up any anti-abortion actions challenged in court.

[Anonymous]

Some developments today:

[Anonymous]

So the choice will ultimately be Franchot or Perez?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the choice will ultimately be Franchot or Perez?

You wish. The next poll will show a 5% bump for Wes Moore which should put him in the lead.

[Anonymous]

I think the SC ruling today helps Franchot big time. No way in hell can MD go to either of the Republicans. People who would've considered Moore are going to strategically vote for the moderate Franchot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the SC ruling today helps Franchot big time. No way in hell can MD go to either of the Republicans. People who would've considered Moore are going to strategically vote for the moderate Franchot.

This makes no sense. Wes Moore is a centrist candidate. Franchot is actually more liberal. And why would overturning Roe make someone vote more moderate? Or make someone want to vote for an old white guy even?