When are Herndon Middle and Herndon High going to get a break?!??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Forestville kids would attend schools closer to their homes; FCPS would send a message that it doesn’t want to see poverty concentrated at a handful of schools like Herndon; and Forest Edge is closer to Langley than Forestville.

No anger - just a commitment to One Fairfax. If you think One Great Falls > One Fairfax, maybe GF should become its own county.

So you are saying spreading the kids around will eliminate poverty? If folks don't want to go to schools maybe THEY should move rather than playing God with other peoples lives. Right now the houses in the western part of GF are not selling. This might be a great time for Herndon folks to buy there. Then we will see how much they would enjoy a hit on their home. The folks who can afford it will simply move east or send there kids to private school. Folks are not interested in socioeconomic engineering so wannabees can be happy. The world doesn't work that way. Rather than bitching about the lives of the downtrodden you might want to consider ridding yourselves of MS13 members who bully kids at your schools. If you feel so strongly about improvement you might want ONE FAIRFAX to provide a safe environment for the students in the Herndon pyramid. Right now the kids in Herndon HS have to allow the bully's and teenage criminals/gang members to grab food off their plates in the cafeteria. That's a fact.

The folks in GF will spend their last dime to assure that doesn't happen. The folks on this thread are demanding the wrong kind of change. Take One Fairfax and shove it. Our kids aren't going to that S*^& Hole.


Balancing demographics will not directly reduce poverty, but studies show keeping the percentage of low-income kids at a school below the level that Herndon is approaching improves educational outcomes for lower-income kids without adversely affecting the outcomes for higher-income kids, which over time should reduce poverty. Taking that into account isn’t playing God, but looking after all students.

I’m not impressed by the argument that Herndon families advocating for change should just move. Certainly Great Falls parents weren’t shy in asking VDOT to close down an exit to the Beltway to make it easier to get to Langley, when they also could have just moved if they were unhappy. Is advocacy only OK when it’s about rich people getting their way?

If FCPS redistricts, you’ll put up a big stink, and a few of you will move or go private, but most will accept the change, grudgingly at first and then willingly as more time passes. Talk is cheap, but selling a house is expensive - particularly when you’re simultaneously broadcasting the message to the world that your neighborhood is now damaged goods.

Right now your rant just tells others you have more money than empathy or class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forestville kids would attend schools closer to their homes; FCPS would send a message that it doesn’t want to see poverty concentrated at a handful of schools like Herndon; and Forest Edge is closer to Langley than Forestville.

No anger - just a commitment to One Fairfax. If you think One Great Falls > One Fairfax, maybe GF should become its own county.

So you are saying spreading the kids around will eliminate poverty? If folks don't want to go to schools maybe THEY should move rather than playing God with other peoples lives. Right now the houses in the western part of GF are not selling. This might be a great time for Herndon folks to buy there. Then we will see how much they would enjoy a hit on their home. The folks who can afford it will simply move east or send there kids to private school. Folks are not interested in socioeconomic engineering so wannabees can be happy. The world doesn't work that way. Rather than bitching about the lives of the downtrodden you might want to consider ridding yourselves of MS13 members who bully kids at your schools. If you feel so strongly about improvement you might want ONE FAIRFAX to provide a safe environment for the students in the Herndon pyramid. Right now the kids in Herndon HS have to allow the bully's and teenage criminals/gang members to grab food off their plates in the cafeteria. That's a fact.

The folks in GF will spend their last dime to assure that doesn't happen. The folks on this thread are demanding the wrong kind of change. Take One Fairfax and shove it. Our kids aren't going to that S*^& Hole.

Balancing demographics will not directly reduce poverty, but studies show keeping the percentage of low-income kids at a school below the level that Herndon is approaching improves educational outcomes for lower-income kids without adversely affecting the outcomes for higher-income kids, which over time should reduce poverty. Taking that into account isn’t playing God, but looking after all students.

I’m not impressed by the argument that Herndon families advocating for change should just move. Certainly Great Falls parents weren’t shy in asking VDOT to close down an exit to the Beltway to make it easier to get to Langley, when they also could have just moved if they were unhappy. Is advocacy only OK when it’s about rich people getting their way?

If FCPS redistricts, you’ll put up a big stink, and a few of you will move or go private, but most will accept the change, grudgingly at first and then willingly as more time passes. Talk is cheap, but selling a house is expensive - particularly when you’re simultaneously broadcasting the message to the world that your neighborhood is now damaged goods.

Right now your rant just tells others you have more money than empathy or class.




Actually, you are wrong about GF people wanting to close the exit/entrance ramp on the beltway. That was McLean folks. They feel they can't move around. In any case that was a stupid idea.

We already sold our home in the Forestville area and are moving closer to McLean. Studies don't show that mixing high income students with low income students creates better outcomes. Take a look at Forest Edge. When GF and Forestville elementary schools went there for GT the schools SOL Test numbers increased but only because the GT kids received high SOL Test scores. It created a better average score. When Forestville and GF Elementary return to their home schools Forest Edge SOL Test average plummeted the very next year. In fact Forest Edge became a Title One school under the direction of Richmond because the population failed the standards of learning. Bottom Line, Forest Edge got an artificial boost but it didn't affect student success in the general population of students.

It is ridiculous to bus kids rather than address the core problem. Failing schools have greater student to teacher ratios and a ton of services, but the bottom line is PARENT ENGAGEMENT. It doesn't make A difference, it makes ALL of the difference. That is where these folks need help. Teaching parents to engage more should be something that we mentor in these schools to assure better outcomes.

Ultimately, when people pay to live in a school district they should stay there. Imagine buying a Lexus and then being told you are getting a used Ford car because someone else can't afford the same car. Would you be happy to continue to pay the payments on the Lexus? Of course not. Your not going to do that deal. You are simply going to go elsewhere to get the product you paid for.

You will say these are kids not cars. Yep, but the analogy still holds. People are fleeing western GF to get what they paid for. So any way you slice it HHS won't get the outcome they hoped for.

[Anonymous]

Balancing demographics will not directly reduce poverty, but studies show keeping the percentage of low-income kids at a school below the level that Herndon is approaching improves educational outcomes for lower-income kids without adversely affecting the outcomes for higher-income kids, which over time should reduce poverty. Taking that into account isn’t playing God, but looking after all students.

Those studies rely mostly on test scores of schools. Sure, scores change--but, mostly, it just covers up the low scores by spreading out the lower scoring kids. And, PP is still talking about moving a large group of kids en masse.

How is taking a whole group of very poor kids out of one school going to help those kids? For example, studies also show that kids do best when they go to community schools where the community provides support and assistance. Students certainly do best when their families are supportive and involved. Sending kids out of their community is not helpful. it is difficult to get any family involvement in that instance. Transportation becomes an issue for the kids and the families. Lots of reasons that kids are better off in their own community.

FCPS is trying to develop the concept of community schools out in the Mt. Vernon area. Why would they go the opposite way in Herndon? The SB should focus on helping the kids where they are instead of trying to socially engineer the problem. There are ways to do that: more teachers; more social workers; etc. They MUST get the families involved to support their kids and understand how important it is for them to get an education. I suspect that kids frequently stay home from high school to watch younger children. That is certainly not going to be helped by sending them further away for school.

And, shifting four or five elementary school boundaries around because there are problems with kids from one elementary school in particular is not helpful at all. It will seed distrust of our leaders in the schools.

The issue is how to address the problem--not shift it around.

By the way, Herndon, your state delegate tweeted out this morning that he wants more immigrants from our border. Why don't you reach out to him for help? Tell him to get your school more money to help these kids.

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As we are seeing the inhumane treatment of immigrants by this administration, we have to remember that we have the power to do something in Virginia. We could join other states who are welcoming immigrants and refusing to be complicit. But only if we vote for it in November.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forestville kids would attend schools closer to their homes; FCPS would send a message that it doesn’t want to see poverty concentrated at a handful of schools like Herndon; and Forest Edge is closer to Langley than Forestville.

No anger - just a commitment to One Fairfax. If you think One Great Falls > One Fairfax, maybe GF should become its own county.

So you are saying spreading the kids around will eliminate poverty? If folks don't want to go to schools maybe THEY should move rather than playing God with other peoples lives. Right now the houses in the western part of GF are not selling. This might be a great time for Herndon folks to buy there. Then we will see how much they would enjoy a hit on their home. The folks who can afford it will simply move east or send there kids to private school. Folks are not interested in socioeconomic engineering so wannabees can be happy. The world doesn't work that way. Rather than bitching about the lives of the downtrodden you might want to consider ridding yourselves of MS13 members who bully kids at your schools. If you feel so strongly about improvement you might want ONE FAIRFAX to provide a safe environment for the students in the Herndon pyramid. Right now the kids in Herndon HS have to allow the bully's and teenage criminals/gang members to grab food off their plates in the cafeteria. That's a fact.

The folks in GF will spend their last dime to assure that doesn't happen. The folks on this thread are demanding the wrong kind of change. Take One Fairfax and shove it. Our kids aren't going to that S*^& Hole.

Balancing demographics will not directly reduce poverty, but studies show keeping the percentage of low-income kids at a school below the level that Herndon is approaching improves educational outcomes for lower-income kids without adversely affecting the outcomes for higher-income kids, which over time should reduce poverty. Taking that into account isn’t playing God, but looking after all students.

I’m not impressed by the argument that Herndon families advocating for change should just move. Certainly Great Falls parents weren’t shy in asking VDOT to close down an exit to the Beltway to make it easier to get to Langley, when they also could have just moved if they were unhappy. Is advocacy only OK when it’s about rich people getting their way?

If FCPS redistricts, you’ll put up a big stink, and a few of you will move or go private, but most will accept the change, grudgingly at first and then willingly as more time passes. Talk is cheap, but selling a house is expensive - particularly when you’re simultaneously broadcasting the message to the world that your neighborhood is now damaged goods.

Right now your rant just tells others you have more money than empathy or class.

Actually, you are wrong about GF people wanting to close the exit/entrance ramp on the beltway. That was McLean folks. They feel they can't move around. In any case that was a stupid idea.

We already sold our home in the Forestville area and are moving closer to McLean. Studies don't show that mixing high income students with low income students creates better outcomes. Take a look at Forest Edge. When GF and Forestville elementary schools went there for GT the schools SOL Test numbers increased but only because the GT kids received high SOL Test scores. It created a better average score. When Forestville and GF Elementary return to their home schools Forest Edge SOL Test average plummeted the very next year. In fact Forest Edge became a Title One school under the direction of Richmond because the population failed the standards of learning. Bottom Line, Forest Edge got an artificial boost but it didn't affect student success in the general population of students.

It is ridiculous to bus kids rather than address the core problem. Failing schools have greater student to teacher ratios and a ton of services, but the bottom line is PARENT ENGAGEMENT. It doesn't make A difference, it makes ALL of the difference. That is where these folks need help. Teaching parents to engage more should be something that we mentor in these schools to assure better outcomes.

Ultimately, when people pay to live in a school district they should stay there. Imagine buying a Lexus and then being told you are getting a used Ford car because someone else can't afford the same car. Would you be happy to continue to pay the payments on the Lexus? Of course not. Your not going to do that deal. You are simply going to go elsewhere to get the product you paid for.

You will say these are kids not cars. Yep, but the analogy still holds. People are fleeing western GF to get what they paid for. So any way you slice it HHS won't get the outcome they hoped for.

It is ridiculous to bus kids 16 miles from Forestville to Langley. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading about the spoiled brat GF parents having temper tantrums about their kids interacting with us poor folk, I’d rather deal with MS13. What should the GF gang of hateful parents be called: MotherFuc$ers13?

Haha I’m with you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Balancing demographics will not directly reduce poverty, but studies show keeping the percentage of low-income kids at a school below the level that Herndon is approaching improves educational outcomes for lower-income kids without adversely affecting the outcomes for higher-income kids, which over time should reduce poverty. Taking that into account isn’t playing God, but looking after all students.

Those studies rely mostly on test scores of schools. Sure, scores change--but, mostly, it just covers up the low scores by spreading out the lower scoring kids. And, PP is still talking about moving a large group of kids en masse.

How is taking a whole group of very poor kids out of one school going to help those kids? For example, studies also show that kids do best when they go to community schools where the community provides support and assistance. Students certainly do best when their families are supportive and involved. Sending kids out of their community is not helpful. it is difficult to get any family involvement in that instance. Transportation becomes an issue for the kids and the families. Lots of reasons that kids are better off in their own community.

FCPS is trying to develop the concept of community schools out in the Mt. Vernon area. Why would they go the opposite way in Herndon? The SB should focus on helping the kids where they are instead of trying to socially engineer the problem. There are ways to do that: more teachers; more social workers; etc. They MUST get the families involved to support their kids and understand how important it is for them to get an education. I suspect that kids frequently stay home from high school to watch younger children. That is certainly not going to be helped by sending them further away for school.

And, shifting four or five elementary school boundaries around because there are problems with kids from one elementary school in particular is not helpful at all. It will seed distrust of our leaders in the schools.

The issue is how to address the problem--not shift it around.

By the way, Herndon, your state delegate tweeted out this morning that he wants more immigrants from our border. Why don't you reach out to him for help? Tell him to get your school more money to help these kids.

https://twitter.com/IbraheemSamirah

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2h2 hours ago
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As we are seeing the inhumane treatment of immigrants by this administration, we have to remember that we have the power to do something in Virginia. We could join other states who are welcoming immigrants and refusing to be complicit. But only if we vote for it in November.

Well, at least I know who I’m NOT voting for in November.

[Anonymous]

Well, at least I know who I’m NOT voting for in November.

He is running unopposed................

People should really check out his tweets.

[Anonymous]

A candidate who wants more immigrants in Herndon? Well, now we know how we got to this sad place. Nice of him to wait until after June 11th to make sure there was no opposition before making the platform known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is absolutely nothing that requires Langley’s boundaries to extend all the way to the Loudoun border when the school is about two miles from Arlington. Only the unrestrained exercise of economic privilege led to that result.

????So, you think the kids should come from Arlington? Mount Vernon? Where do you think Langley kids should come from?

I am guessing the Langley was built to relieve overcrowding in McLean--but, I don't know. That's usually the way it works.

Well for starters, there are some apartment complexes (with 3 and 4 families per apartment) in Herndon that we can send over to Langley. That will more than solve the under enrollment problem. And it will free up some space in Herndon to accommodate increased immigrant populations as well as room to take some kids from Carson. You know, the kids who go to Carson that actually LIVE in HERNDON?

That’s not legal. That’s a code violation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is absolutely nothing that requires Langley’s boundaries to extend all the way to the Loudoun border when the school is about two miles from Arlington. Only the unrestrained exercise of economic privilege led to that result.

????So, you think the kids should come from Arlington? Mount Vernon? Where do you think Langley kids should come from?

I am guessing the Langley was built to relieve overcrowding in McLean--but, I don't know. That's usually the way it works.

Well for starters, there are some apartment complexes (with 3 and 4 families per apartment) in Herndon that we can send over to Langley. That will more than solve the under enrollment problem. And it will free up some space in Herndon to accommodate increased immigrant populations as well as room to take some kids from Carson. You know, the kids who go to Carson that actually LIVE in HERNDON?

That’s not legal. That’s a code violation.

Actually, it's the kids in those apartments who live in the Town of Herndon. Those that go to Carson do not.

[Anonymous]

I find it funny that some of you are suggesting sending Herndon kids to Langley - when you just got through complaining that the kids in far western Great Falls shouldn't be traveling 14 miles to Langley when they could be going to Herndon. Which is it??

[Anonymous]

I for one CHOOSE Herndon over Langley - yes I know hard to believe! Sure it was ten plus years ago when the school had a rating of 8 on Great Schools but still... some of us in this world don’t WANT “elite”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I for one CHOOSE Herndon over Langley - yes I know hard to believe! Sure it was ten plus years ago when the school had a rating of 8 on Great Schools but still... some of us in this world don’t WANT “elite”

Ditto! Wish the people are this message board had the capacity to understand that concept but they don’t!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I for one CHOOSE Herndon over Langley - yes I know hard to believe! Sure it was ten plus years ago when the school had a rating of 8 on Great Schools but still... some of us in this world don’t WANT “elite”

Ditto! Wish the people are this message board had the capacity to understand that concept but they don’t!

It appears Langley wants to keep the Great Falls/Mclean community in tact. You "Choose Herndon" These people chose Langley. Now you apparently regret your choice and want tp offload your problems to Langley.

You are being hypocritical. You argue that Forestville should go to Herndon schools because it's closer for them. In the same breath you want to bus immigrants from Herndon bused o Langley. Apparently you don't like immigrants and want to bus them out of your community and bus high achieving Great Falls kids in to save your home values. You are the heartless elite. Just another "Not In My Backyard jerk who is panicking.

This is just a crybaby play because you made a mistake and now you are angry at Langley families. Get a grip. You made your bed............

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I for one CHOOSE Herndon over Langley - yes I know hard to believe! Sure it was ten plus years ago when the school had a rating of 8 on Great Schools but still... some of us in this world don’t WANT “elite”

Ditto! Wish the people are this message board had the capacity to understand that concept but they don’t!

It appears Langley wants to keep the Great Falls/Mclean community in tact. You "Choose Herndon" These people chose Langley. Now you apparently regret your choice and want tp offload your problems to Langley.

You are being hypocritical. You argue that Forestville should go to Herndon schools because it's closer for them. In the same breath you want to bus immigrants from Herndon bused o Langley. Apparently you don't like immigrants and want to bus them out of your community and bus high achieving Great Falls kids in to save your home values. You are the heartless elite. Just another "Not In My Backyard jerk who is panicking.

This is just a crybaby play because you made a mistake and now you are angry at Langley families. Get a grip. You made your bed............

I think you are assuming there is only one Herndon poster on this forum. I don't know--as I am not a Herndon parent--but I suspect that some are not obsessed with getting rid of their poorer students. The people I know seem happy enough with it. Not too happy about the drama teacher, though, but that could happen anywhere.

There is at least one poster on here who is like a dog with a bone and will not accept logical explanations for why it will not work. The comments have ranged from wanting this because it "is not fair" with almost racist comments, to wishing to support "One Fairfax." She does not seem to understand that sending neighborhoods away who do not wish to be uprooted is different from those who have been making the trek for years and wish to continue.