Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Mmmm, when I worked for a non profit we received government funded grants to work with their children. Roughly, 40,000 a child per year. The neighborhood was filled with similar not for profits providing an array of services and funded by public and private Grants.

Where was this?

Working with them on what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

+1,000,000
Well said.

+2,000,000

I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Who pays their ER bill?

When the dad was hurt on the job the employer paid the medical bills.

1. Out of pocket?
2. To the tune of how much cash?
3. What was the injury?

I don’t know exactly how the bills were paid but they mentioned the employer paid for it.

This is a large employer btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

I agree that they work hard but you’re dreaming if you think a significant percent pay taxes. Where I live they are day laborers, gardeners, restaurant workers and the like.....they’re paid in cash off the books. BTW I don’t blame them, I wouldn’t voluntarily pay taxes either but they do consume taxpayer funded services like public education.

Exactly. My neighbor has several workers to do her babysitting and cleaning. She pays them in cash. So no one is paying any taxes.

#1 how do you know their status?
#2 even if they were all here legally (even citizens) do you think they’d report 100% of their cash earnings?

[Anonymous]

Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

+1,000,000
Well said.

+2,000,000

I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

I agree that they work hard but you’re dreaming if you think a significant percent pay taxes. Where I live they are day laborers, gardeners, restaurant workers and the like.....they’re paid in cash off the books. BTW I don’t blame them, I wouldn’t voluntarily pay taxes either but they do consume taxpayer funded services like public education.

But they are a net positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.””

“Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

+1,000,000
Well said.

+2,000,000

I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

Cooperate, Einstein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like who, 7:37? I’m not believing your story so far...

Large food supplier - with presence in midatlantic.

Name them. What’s to fear? Or are you lying?

Let’s just say it’s not a job you or your kids would want. It’s hard work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

You may speak for YOUR kids, NOT mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, is ANY admin going to try and work with Congress to address the influx of a large number of people who will be a burden on the social safety network in the US, be it curtailing the influx or strengthening the system to try and accommodate them?

How are they a burden on the social safety net when they are ineligible to receive federal social safety net funds?

Healthcare for one, genius

ERs can't say no to helping people. Many illegal immigrants use the hospital ERs when they're sick. And if they can't pay, guess what? The ER won't say no again if another emergency arises and they are in collections.

babies? My niece works in the OB ward of a major hospital. Who's paying for the delivery and after care?

schools? Again - schools don't turn down children who have entered the country illegally. They will receive free breakfast and lunch and ESOL services until 21, if necessary. Translation services are used during meetings. Sometimes there's a certified ESOL counselor who's hired, too. School allocations come in one pot and monies are distributed based on need. So English classroom sizes increase, for example, in order to create more ESOL classes. Your average, hard-working child will be in classes of 30+, with kids of mixed abilities. These are PUBLICLY funded measures WE pay for. It doesn't come out of any president's a**.

It sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

Furthermore, for the person using all caps regarding the "crisis," it is a crisis. I have a friend in immigration who's been sent all over the place to assist in processing newcomers. I believe they requested to hire more immigration judges b/c the few they had weren't enough to process people through quickly enough. This led to other issues - newcomers who didn't receive legal support in a timely fashion, for example.

So it's easy to call everyone a racist when you're sitting behind your television sipping your wine. Try being in the courts when you see lines of people waiting for their time - and some in cuffs b/c they're criminals and rapists and child molesters.

And you should turn to C-Span to see the actual questioning of those directly involved in this mess.

So someone has to find an answer. If this is the land of immigrants, then we need to figure out how to balance THEIR needs with the needs of our citizens (native born and naturalized).

Do you just let any door-to-door salesperson into your house? Do you entertain all telemarketers? I think not. I'm guessing you're choosy about whom you allow into your life. So what you practice at home as a private citizen should guide your beliefs in immigration. Not every person can enter our land. Look at Europe - Italy especially - and learn from them.

If this is an international crisis, then these leaders better figure out steps to take - cuz it ain't workin'!

+1,000,000
Well said.

+2,000,000

I did not vote for Trump. If anything, I am thrilled that he is addressing this issue. Illegal immigration affects my life on a daily basis. Needs to be addressed. I don’t believe the Democrats want to fix the problem. We’ll see what Trump ends up doing.

Hope Trump shuts down the border TODAY. Or at least this week.

Mexico has been warned. They need to corporate. Why aren’t they?

Because “corporate” isn’t a verb.

Cooperate, Einstein.

At least I know how to spell it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're a lunatic, 22:47.

+1
I'd love to know exactly how "fixing our healthcare system" would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving free healthcare at our ERs - well, free for them. The rest of us wind up paying for it.

I'd also love to know how many illegal immigrants 22:47 is personally sponsoring - feeding, housing, clothing, and educating.

Not PP, but why would anyone need to house and feed them? The undocumented people I know bust their ass, pay taxes, and support not only their families here but more back at home.

Mmmm, when I worked for a non profit we received government funded grants to work with their children. Roughly, 40,000 a child per year. The neighborhood was filled with similar not for profits providing an array of services and funded by public and private Grants.

Where was this?

Working with them on what?

Highly doubt you were helping these kids.