Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

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Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

Actually, yes. DH and I are planning it.

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One million UMC people leaving will have catastrophic effects on the economy. Good luck MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

This is true and is only getting worse.

Now if you’re an American and a POC then you will be fine in most of Western Europe.

WHAT? This is a joke, right?

Seriously, Europe is ultra racist and generally intolerant of anything but the Christian white norm. I feel like Americans just have no idea.

Europeans believe the same about Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

This is true and is only getting worse.

Now if you’re an American and a POC then you will be fine in most of Western Europe.

WHAT? This is a joke, right?

Seriously, Europe is ultra racist and generally intolerant of anything but the Christian white norm. I feel like Americans just have no idea.

Europeans believe the same about Americans.

Plus we are fat and have guns. They are not wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Australia. Very receptive to immigrants - 31% population born overseas. Far from the troubles of the US and Europe (but with its own anxiety over China). Skills shortages. Universities accept lot of international students. More than 100,000 Americans already live in Australia. On the negative side, high COL and tough housing market.

This is absolutely not true. Australians are some of the most racist people I’ve ever encountered. I don’t know how many times I’ve had the displeasure of hearing them rant about how a certain demographic ruined their country.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Australia. Very receptive to immigrants - 31% population born overseas. Far from the troubles of the US and Europe (but with its own anxiety over China). Skills shortages. Universities accept lot of international students. More than 100,000 Americans already live in Australia. On the negative side, high COL and tough housing market.

This is absolutely not true. Australians are some of the most racist people I’ve ever encountered. I don’t know how many times I’ve had the displeasure of hearing them rant about how a certain demographic ruined their country.

Any white person who lives in a continent non native to white people needs to STFU and take a seat about minorities ruining anything. And I say this as someone descended from one of the first families of Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Australia. Very receptive to immigrants - 31% population born overseas. Far from the troubles of the US and Europe (but with its own anxiety over China). Skills shortages. Universities accept lot of international students. More than 100,000 Americans already live in Australia. On the negative side, high COL and tough housing market.

My European family live in the U.S. and Australia. Not sure how you think Australia is open to immigrants. The illegals are shipped off to an island with well-documented abuse and the legal are not treated very well. We are white so fared much better but Australia is well-known for being racist.

Legal immigrants aren’t treated very well??!! How do you figure that?

So, I’ve actually spent a significant amount of time there and can base my opinion on more than just random internet searches that support a random assumption. Like I said, I have family there. Legal immigrants. And yes, they are not treated well. I bet you’ve never even heard the term “wog” before. Our country sucks for sure but to think that other countries aren’t bigoted is a fairy tale. I bet you think that any country will want you just because you are American and that you won’t need to learn a new language and conform to a new culture. White Americans are delusional. I’m white btw but hold dual citizenship, have lived abroad and know the reality. Yes, it is better in some countries but nobody is falling over themselves to be graced with people who facked up their own country.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Australia. Very receptive to immigrants - 31% population born overseas. Far from the troubles of the US and Europe (but with its own anxiety over China). Skills shortages. Universities accept lot of international students. More than 100,000 Americans already live in Australia. On the negative side, high COL and tough housing market.

My European family live in the U.S. and Australia. Not sure how you think Australia is open to immigrants. The illegals are shipped off to an island with well-documented abuse and the legal are not treated very well. We are white so fared much better but Australia is well-known for being racist.

Legal immigrants aren’t treated very well??!! How do you figure that?

So, I’ve actually spent a significant amount of time there and can base my opinion on more than just random internet searches that support a random assumption. Like I said, I have family there. Legal immigrants. And yes, they are not treated well. I bet you’ve never even heard the term “wog” before. Our country sucks for sure but to think that other countries aren’t bigoted is a fairy tale. I bet you think that any country will want you just because you are American and that you won’t need to learn a new language and conform to a new culture. White Americans are delusional. I’m white btw but hold dual citizenship, have lived abroad and know the reality. Yes, it is better in some countries but nobody is falling over themselves to be graced with people who facked up their own country.

A lot of people on this thread are missing the point. We are not comparing the rest of the world and America on 2/20/25, we are comparing the rest of the world to what America will be on 2/20/26. Yes, the rest of the world is racist and problematic in a lot of ways. Will they be worse than the America we are careening quickly towards? Likely not.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Australia. Very receptive to immigrants - 31% population born overseas. Far from the troubles of the US and Europe (but with its own anxiety over China). Skills shortages. Universities accept lot of international students. More than 100,000 Americans already live in Australia. On the negative side, high COL and tough housing market.

My European family live in the U.S. and Australia. Not sure how you think Australia is open to immigrants. The illegals are shipped off to an island with well-documented abuse and the legal are not treated very well. We are white so fared much better but Australia is well-known for being racist.

Legal immigrants aren’t treated very well??!! How do you figure that?

So, I’ve actually spent a significant amount of time there and can base my opinion on more than just random internet searches that support a random assumption. Like I said, I have family there. Legal immigrants. And yes, they are not treated well. I bet you’ve never even heard the term “wog” before. Our country sucks for sure but to think that other countries aren’t bigoted is a fairy tale. I bet you think that any country will want you just because you are American and that you won’t need to learn a new language and conform to a new culture. White Americans are delusional. I’m white btw but hold dual citizenship, have lived abroad and know the reality. Yes, it is better in some countries but nobody is falling over themselves to be graced with people who facked up their own country.

Can you please elaborate on the ways in which they are not treated well? I am interested. I am in fact the child of a wog.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

So you don’t have to go back to Russia, comrade?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

So you don’t have to go back to Russia, comrade?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conservative-family-disappointed-moving-russia-001517915.html

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Back to the original question, we are considering a move to Portugal or Barcelona if the SHTF.

My worry is that our real estate here won’t be worth as much by then.

I have lived outside of the US for several years already which made me quite aware of how challenging it is to live as an expat but also how unpleasant living in an undemocratic regime can be.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the ability to move to three different countries but am not leaving. I do not believe this is the same as 1930s Germany and in fact think the people who are saying that are insulting the victims of the Holocaust.

Well they’re not coming for the Jews this time, not yet. Just the libs, and the federal workers, and the immigrants, and the trans kids, and the disabled. And to some extent the Muslims.

Not the same at all. This time the descendants of some survivors are helping out (Steven Miller). Actually, some of the Jews helped then, too, and not entirely under duress.

Fascism doesn’t follow the same exact pattern every time. It looked a little different in Italy. It’s very adaptable to local populations.

They weren't implying that anyone is "coming for the Jews." Are you usually this pedantic?

NP they literally said this is "insulting to victims of the Holocaust". What do you think they were talking about?

That being fired from a mediocre federal job cannot be compared to being literally put and gassed to death in a concentration camp?

Read a book and come back when you’re ready to debate intelligently. The fact that you are blaming trans kids for your personal problems is step 1 in the fascist playbook.

You guys are being hysterical. Nobody even uses pronouns in Europe. None of that garbage exists there. Somehow you guys are fantasizing about that place?

Hate to break it to you but everyone has a pronoun!

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Anonymous wrote:As a Canadian I was surprised at how fast he turned on us, ripping up trade agreements, and surprised at all the negative comments I hear from Americans that actively hate us. And people wonder how Hitler got into power.

The only thing that will rile up most privileged Americans will be when they come after your SSRIs.

You do know that most privileged Americans are scared of this administration and horrified by Trump. That’s why we are thinking of fleeing our own country. The tone deafness it would take to come on to this thread and say Americans don’t care…. Just wow.

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You're going to feel pretty silly if the next election cycle results in changes in domestic politics and all of a sudden the sky stops falling. Relocating internationally with shifting political winds seems foolish, at best, not to mention expensive and disruptive.

But, if you wear a tinfoil hat and assume there will be no further elections in the U.S. ever, you'll be patting yourself on the back.

Which scenario seems the more likely?