Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now

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Smart phone technology has allowed for flash mob events in cities throughout the country which is why retailers in big cities are exiting. When 30 people hit a store at the same time nothing can stop them as they are in and out in five minutes.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

Two of the worst recent crimes didn't involve guns (Kohberger in Idaho and Billingsley in Maryland). Give appropriate punishments and keep them locked up for life. No parole. Ever. And my husband and I aren't gun owners.)

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WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

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Serious question, how many inmates are you willing to house and feed? The average cost per inmate is $130,000 per year.

Why feed and house inmates at $130K? That's a waste of money and resources. Build a mega prison with cheap overhead and throw them in there. There's no reason to spend any money on these folks when there's no return on investment. And we can stop death penalty appeals. That is a time suck.

We already have mega prisons. Do you mean we should build concentration camps and gas people for looting Athleta?

That would be considerable cheaper. I doubt this is their first merry-go-round. These are likely juveniles on their 4th, 5th, + criminal incident with no future prospects. We do not need them. What we do need are more mega prisons. Make them for profit if needed. Prison labor can be used for hire to make it self sustaining. There's got to be a solution because they do not belong in society. We cannot put retailers or services in low income communities because the people that live there with rob and loot these very institutions. They continue to dig their own graves.

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So… that’s 2 votes for mass graves!

JFC. Liberals have an insane way of inventing reasons to be hytsterical. Not a single person suggested concentration camps or mass graves. There was an extremest liberal poster who said:
"We already have mega prisons. Do you mean we should build concentration camps and gas people for looting Athleta?" to which the response was "That would be considerable cheaper..."

So, yeah, the far left brought extremism into the conversation and it was met with equal stupidity. God damn, you guys are loons.

Agreed.

This entire conversation is basically progressive left sad about poverty and not wanting to arrest or prosecute anyone for crime vs. more moderate or right folks basically saying “how about we hold people accountable for their crimes.” And yet we are labeled unprincipled. Insane.

How many inmates are you willing to fund with your salary? How much are you willing to shell to stop the theft of leggings? The cost is $130K per head. I mean these are basic questions that you moderate folks curtail.

You keep asking the same question PPs have answered you. I am willing to pay but think prisons need to create other sources of revenue. WE also need to trim the cost of keeping each prisoner. $130K is ridiculous and far more than what that criminal would be making/spending out of prison so why do they get a 6 figure salary in prison? Trim the excess and make larger mega prisons to cut the overhead per person. IN all, paying $130K per person is definitely worth the cost considering the damage done by each prisoner on the outside. I'd pay $130K to minimize murder and rapes in our communities.

The murderer was the police officer. He is roaming the streets free. These vandals are leggings thieves. They exceed the number of murderers by many magnitudes. I am so glad you are willing to provide lodgings and meals for them at $130k per head. You can make that a reality by asking GOP presidential candidates to increase your taxes significantly.

You can’t force imprisoned people to work so what are you going to do starve or torture them?

What's wrong with them working to earn meals? The rest of us have to work for food and lodging.

Because that is called slavery. WTF

Sick people.

OH, FFS.

You are what is wrong with this country.
Where I live, inmates work. They pick up trash along the road, work in county facilities making repairs, painting, cooking for our Meals on Wheels program, and doing a lot of other low skill jobs. Not only does it make their time behind bars productive, but it also provides them with some small bit of training so when they get out, they have a least a few menial skills.
If you don't like the idea of working for the county when you are incarcerated, don't commit crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:
Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

That might be a compelling argument, were it not for Switzerland, where there is a government-issued, fully automatic machine gun and ammunition in most Swiss households. And the Swiss have about the same level of gun violence as Japan - essentially zero.

So clearly the presence of guns is not the issue.

Keep digging.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

That might be a compelling argument, were it not for Switzerland, where there is a government-issued, fully automatic machine gun and ammunition in most Swiss households. And the Swiss have about the same level of gun violence as Japan - essentially zero.

So clearly the presence of guns is not the issue.

Keep digging.

Dig this. The voters don't want all these guns polluting our society and they vote for representation to get rid of some of them.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

My son did his last year in college in Tokyo and decided to stay. He’s fluent, just got a corporate job on graduation, and just loves Japan! He’s said the same thing as you. I raised him to respect others and obey the law. I’m happy he’s so happy there.

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Anonymous wrote:
Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

That might be a compelling argument, were it not for Switzerland, where there is a government-issued, fully automatic machine gun and ammunition in most Swiss households. And the Swiss have about the same level of gun violence as Japan - essentially zero.

So clearly the presence of guns is not the issue.

Keep digging.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

The Japanese preempt inhumane prison treatment by killing themselves. That’s why it’s the suicide capital of the world.

By the way, Norway does not even arm its cops and has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:
Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

That might be a compelling argument, were it not for Switzerland, where there is a government-issued, fully automatic machine gun and ammunition in most Swiss households. And the Swiss have about the same level of gun violence as Japan - essentially zero.

So clearly the presence of guns is not the issue.

Keep digging.

Switzerland starts its college grads at 85k a year and pays a cashier starting out at a supermarket 5k a month. Their cops don’t kill citizens and they provide a healthy safety net to all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Smart phone technology has allowed for flash mob events in cities throughout the country which is why retailers in big cities are exiting. When 30 people hit a store at the same time nothing can stop them as they are in and out in five minutes.

Yeah but no one what’s to talk about that.
We just shrug our shoulders at the inevitable and increasingly insurmountable problems ushered in by technology.
It’s the LIBZZZZZ!

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Anonymous wrote:
Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

No, main reason is the guns. There are very strict gun laws in Japan that make very hard to get a license and own a gun. There are about 180,000 gun licenses in Japan (and most are for hunting). https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/05/31/national/crime-legal/gun-control-explainer/

There are more than 400M firearms in the US and in many states any imbecile can get war weapons with little control and even conceal carry.

That might be a compelling argument, were it not for Switzerland, where there is a government-issued, fully automatic machine gun and ammunition in most Swiss households. And the Swiss have about the same level of gun violence as Japan - essentially zero.

So clearly the presence of guns is not the issue.

Keep digging.

It’s subcultural norms that fuel antisocial behavior.

We know that large numbers of Americans are raised to believe that violence and crime are fine.

“Don’t let anyone disrespect you. Fight back!”

“Don’t be a chump! You get yours! Take it!”

That mindset doesn’t exist in homogenous societies.

ICYMI: post-George Floyd resulted in building new walls and fueling emotions making people feel “othered” and less than. The backlash isn’t surprising.

The only way to fix this is with nationalism: getting every American to identify as American and adopt core societal norms. That’s why Japan and Scandinavia function so well: homogenous societies with aligned communal values.

But that will never happen if you have people who only put themselves first. Think: deadbeat dads.

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Anonymous wrote:
Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

The Japanese preempt inhumane prison treatment by killing themselves. That’s why it’s the suicide capital of the world.

By the way, Norway does not even arm its cops and has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Awn! Poor wittle criminals.

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Japanese here. You know we're famous for being a safe country. There is very little violent crime compared to western countries.

You know why? Because people are severely punished for infractions, and prisons are not made pleasant for prisoners.

My grandmother immigrated to the US from Japan. She was extremely bigoted against most people from other Asian countries as well as people that weren't white in the US. I don't think these bigotries are particularly rare either.

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WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

+100

Serious question, how many inmates are you willing to house and feed? The average cost per inmate is $130,000 per year.

Why feed and house inmates at $130K? That's a waste of money and resources. Build a mega prison with cheap overhead and throw them in there. There's no reason to spend any money on these folks when there's no return on investment. And we can stop death penalty appeals. That is a time suck.

We already have mega prisons. Do you mean we should build concentration camps and gas people for looting Athleta?

That would be considerable cheaper. I doubt this is their first merry-go-round. These are likely juveniles on their 4th, 5th, + criminal incident with no future prospects. We do not need them. What we do need are more mega prisons. Make them for profit if needed. Prison labor can be used for hire to make it self sustaining. There's got to be a solution because they do not belong in society. We cannot put retailers or services in low income communities because the people that live there with rob and loot these very institutions. They continue to dig their own graves.

+1

So… that’s 2 votes for mass graves!

JFC. Liberals have an insane way of inventing reasons to be hytsterical. Not a single person suggested concentration camps or mass graves. There was an extremest liberal poster who said:
"We already have mega prisons. Do you mean we should build concentration camps and gas people for looting Athleta?" to which the response was "That would be considerable cheaper..."

So, yeah, the far left brought extremism into the conversation and it was met with equal stupidity. God damn, you guys are loons.

Agreed.

This entire conversation is basically progressive left sad about poverty and not wanting to arrest or prosecute anyone for crime vs. more moderate or right folks basically saying “how about we hold people accountable for their crimes.” And yet we are labeled unprincipled. Insane.

How many inmates are you willing to fund with your salary? How much are you willing to shell to stop the theft of leggings? The cost is $130K per head. I mean these are basic questions that you moderate folks curtail.

You keep asking the same question PPs have answered you. I am willing to pay but think prisons need to create other sources of revenue. WE also need to trim the cost of keeping each prisoner. $130K is ridiculous and far more than what that criminal would be making/spending out of prison so why do they get a 6 figure salary in prison? Trim the excess and make larger mega prisons to cut the overhead per person. IN all, paying $130K per person is definitely worth the cost considering the damage done by each prisoner on the outside. I'd pay $130K to minimize murder and rapes in our communities.

Most of that 130K cost is in the salary and benefits for the correction officers to maintain control and keep the prisoners compliant and imprisoned. The other costs such as housing, heat, cooling, food is probably negligible in comparison to the labor costs for the COs. Are you suggesting that the COs should be paid less with fewer benefits to get those costs down?