Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

Of course it does, it speaks to the bias of MCPD officers (I have no doubt that officer also conducts traffic stops), and the failure of training of MCPD officers.

On the other hand, "pausing all-traffic safety stops" is a non sequitur that has nothing to do with the legislation being discussed in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is another example of MCPD abusing Black people:

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/body-camera-police-footage-5-year-old-boy/65-48579fa7-8422-48b4-8f6f-f5361721879a

Are you blind? The officers are Black. Whatever happened there wasn't racially motivated.

Don't be ridiculous.

Racism can be and often is internalized by Black people.

If Black officers are abusing Black residents that impacts Black residents just as if White officers abuse Black residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

[Anonymous]

Also note what's missing from these cases - termination of the officers involved.

Any suggestion that police are afraid of losing their livelihoods is absolutely absurd given the degree to which their jobs are protected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A White MCPD officer called a group of Black men the n-word (and no that's not okay):

https://www.essence.com/news/maryland-police-racial-slur/

Who said its OK? Get guys like that off the force.

But that has nothing to do with pausing all traffic safety stops.

The legislation does not propose pausing all traffic safety stops. Nobody is proposing this. The legislation proposes specifically to prohibit traffic stops by Montgomery County police officers based solely on the suspected violation of the following traffic offenses under the Maryland Vehicle Law, related to:
• licensing and registration;
• certificate of title or insurance;
• window tinting;
• defective headlamp or taillight;
• illuminated license plate;
• minor obstructions, including, signs, posters, and other nontransparent materials on
the windshields;

Also police officers would not be prohibited from
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed.

You can read the proposed bill, yourself, here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

All absurd comments

Why do people bother paying tickets? So they don't have collection agencies after them and don't get arrested and don't have their license suspended.

In what way does a non illuminated plate prevent officers from issuing a ticket?

Do you wait until you get a ticket to repair your headlight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Some of those are definitely safety issues, but even if we ignore those (and we shouldn’t)…

Why would you bother pay pay a red light ticket, speeding citation, school bus violation, whatever, if you can’t be pulled over for an expired registration? How can they even issue a ticket if you have a non illuminated plate? Why bother with so many things (like repairing a headlight) if you don’t have to? How you you ever even know that you had a tailight out? I’m just spitballing, I don’t have time to really list all of the reasons this is stupid.

I guess that the upside is that you can freely commit crimes at night if you just disable some plate lighting.

It’s all some weird justice theater with way more downside than upside.

Why would you bother obeying the law about right turn on red if you can just not obey the law about right turn on red? This is what I asked myself, this morning, as I sat in the right lane at a red light, waiting for the light to turn green so that I could go straight, and the driver behind me didn't want to wait, so they went around me and turned right on red from the left lane, in front of me, where there might have been pedestrians (high school students) in the crosswalk, which is actually a real and immediate safety issue. This happens all the time these days. Not a cop in sight.

And meanwhile you're worried that cops might not be allowed to pull drivers over for tinted windows.

[Anonymous]

What if someone who is involved with the county council calls 911 and requests only a black officer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if someone who is involved with the county council calls 911 and requests only a black officer?

What if MCPD officers start arresting all the Black people they see?

We can ask random questions all day.

[Anonymous]

The bottom line here is that crime is sky rocketing in the county- both violent and non violent- this is a bill that explicitly proposes less direct police enforcement.

We can talk around it, but that is a fact. It couldnt be more ill-timed, and that is why it wont pass- even in moco.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line here is that crime is sky rocketing in the county- both violent and non violent- this is a bill that explicitly proposes less direct police enforcement.

We can talk around it, but that is a fact. It couldnt be more ill-timed, and that is why it wont pass- even in moco.

What was ill timed MCPD deciding on its own to reduce traffic enforcement to a third of the pre pandemic level.

Would much rather they focus on stopping bad drivers than spending an hour harassing Black people.

[Anonymous]

What do you make of speed and red light cameras, getting more minority drivers, than per capita?

Are they racist too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you make of speed and red light cameras, getting more minority drivers, than per capita?

Are they racist too?

That data doesn't exist for Montgomery County.

Data from other jurisdictions and nationally points to inequities in road design
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/01/18/analysis-when-speed-cameras-are-racist/

Journalists Emily Hopkins and Melissa Sanchez said the discrepancy stemmed in large part from road design in Chicago’s BIPOC neighborhoods, where there are a preponderance of wide, highway-like roads that signal to drivers that it’s okay to travel quickly. Thanks to decades of racist policy, communities of color are significantly more likely to be located in close proximity to highways, industrial areas, and high-speed arterials that prioritize the speed of drivers over the safety of residents.

A 2021 study found that three-quarters of the most-dangerous roads for pedestrians in the United States run through low-income neighborhoods, which are themselves disproportionately likely to be communities of color. And as in the Chicago study, in which all the highest revenue-generating cameras were located on four-lane roads, nearly all those corridors were designed explicitly for speed. A whopping 97 percent of the deadly streets identified in the study had at least three lanes; 70 percent had at least five.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if someone who is involved with the county council calls 911 and requests only a black officer?

It's not a random question it happened