stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

It’s very simple. They want people to be able to vote multiple times, and they want non-citizens to vote.

That’s what this is all about. Nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

I'm not "angling" for anything. It's wrong to impose a burden on a fundamental right like voting that's not justified by what's actually going on; there's basically zero impersonation fraud so voter ID isn't necessary. We don't figure out what's needed to protect people's fundamental rights by polling people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

I lean towards the left side of the political spectrum and wholeheartedly agree. More in the sense that it adds validation to the process. Seriously, it's just logical.

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I'm not saying there is rampant voter fraud, but you don't know what you don't know.

You might be a serial killer.

You don't know what you don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

Equal opportunity to obtain an ID if it is going to be a new requirment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

It’s very simple. They want people to be able to vote multiple times, and they want non-citizens to vote.

That’s what this is all about. Nothing more.

There is no proof of people voting multiple times, nor are there any instances of non-citizens voting illegally.

This is all a bogeyman to get the right inflamed and pass these needlessly restrictive laws.

[Anonymous]

Dems should add a national voter ID to HR1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

It’s very simple. They want people to be able to vote multiple times, and they want non-citizens to vote.

That’s what this is all about. Nothing more.

There is no proof of people voting multiple times, nor are there any instances of non-citizens voting illegally.

This is all a bogeyman to get the right inflamed and pass these needlessly restrictive laws.

I'm not at all convinced that we would know if these things were happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for?

Free government assistance obtain the ID — or acceptable forms of ID that don’t disproportionately impact any group of people. It doesn’t make sense to me that a student ID with a picture issued by a state university would not be acceptable - when a gun license is just fine.

So, older person born at home in a tiny town in, let’s say Alabama. No birth certificate, no Baptismal record, might have a family Bible indicating their birthdate. The onus should not be on this citizen to spend the considerable time and money it would take — if it is even possible— to meet the standards for obtaining a Real ID in, say, Hawaii, in order to fulfill a drummed up solution to a problem that doesn’t appreciably exist. It’s worth pointing out, yet again, that many of the forms of ID deemed acceptable require a birth certificate before they will be issued.

[Anonymous]

Free government assistance obtain the ID — or acceptable forms of ID that don’t disproportionately impact any group of people. It doesn’t make sense to me that a student ID with a picture issued by a state university would not be acceptable - when a gun license is just fine.

So, older person born at home in a tiny town in, let’s say Alabama. No birth certificate, no Baptismal record, might have a family Bible indicating their birthdate. The onus should not be on this citizen to spend the considerable time and money it would take — if it is even possible— to meet the standards for obtaining a Real ID in, say, Hawaii, in order to fulfill a drummed up solution to a problem that doesn’t appreciably exist. It’s worth pointing out, yet again, that many of the forms of ID deemed acceptable require a birth certificate before they will be issued.

Exactly. The onus should not be on the citizen, particularly if they are poor. Now, having a Real ID is becoming increasingly important,

Beginning October 1, 2021 every state and territory resident will need to present a REAL ID compliant license/ID, or another acceptable form of identification, for accessing federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and boarding commercial aircraft



So, let's have the federal government resolve free of charge all the issues of missing documents (birth certificates, etc) and provide the citizen with a free US passport which will empower the citizen to all benefits of having a Real ID and resolve, in passing, the voter ID issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?

And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.

We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.

There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.

What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP

It doesn't but if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them, then it is a form of voter suppression. But why do you keep citing the bogeyman of the hordes of illegals voting when there is no proof of any such activity taking place?

If ID was provided to all who need it - free, from the government - I wonder what other excuses you’d manufacture.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't but if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them, then it is a form of voter suppression. But why do you keep citing the bogeyman of the hordes of illegals voting when there is no proof of any such activity taking place?



If ID was provided to all who need it - free, from the government - I wonder what other excuses you’d manufacture

Great! I think that in spite of the ideological differences and whether voter fraud is a real problem or not, we are all in favor of having the government provide free ID to anyone that needs it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?

And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.

We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.

There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.

What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP

Then, why are you against full background checks on ALL gun purchases, permit requirements for ALL gun purchases. Get real. The entire purpose of the GA GOP is to discourage Democratic voters from voting. In the sports world, it is called cheating! Change the rules.

Might want to be careful about your assumptions. I’m the PP and fully support full background checks and permit requirements for all gun purchases. Just as I fully support mandatory voter ID. Not sure what on earth “cheating” has to do with either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

The immigration situation absolutely has changed. The number of people present illegally has changed considerably. Democrats have gone out of their way to ensure that we cannot accurately track the number of illegal immigrants currently in our country. And, in some jurisdiction, they are allowed to vote in local elections.

We want to ensure that only those legally qualified to vote do so. Yes, it is that simple.

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Amazing that anyone would argue against this. And yet, they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?

And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.

We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.

There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.

What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP

It doesn't but if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them, then it is a form of voter suppression. But why do you keep citing the bogeyman of the hordes of illegals voting when there is no proof of any such activity taking place?

If ID was provided to all who need it - free, from the government - I wonder what other excuses you’d manufacture.

They will always have a never ending list of grievances, not unlike Fox News rubes.

[Anonymous]

The 2nd Amendment specifically says a "well regulated milita" - so licensure and other restrictions are constitutional.

The Constitution also mandates the right to vote for all citizens. This has NEVER been an issue except to the racist right wing that continues to conjure BS to add restrictions to suppress the vote for those who don't support them.

That isn't how it is supposed to work, and to date, there is no validation of their claims of fraud and abuse.