22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Yes, it's going to be hard. This is what life has thrown at us, and we can't make decisions based on cowardice or being soft. We will make it through financial hardship. It's not the end of the world to lose money, scale down our homes or lifestyles or even live in poverty. I went from being middle class to living in poverty after the economy tanked in 2008 and it was not an easy adjustment so I know what I'm talking about. The good news is that I survived, and I'm way less stressed out this time around than my friends.

We'll make it. That doesn't mean it will be easy, but we have the backbone and the strength and the drive to survive and rebuild.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

And what good would cancer surgery be if the cancer patient gets COVID in the hospital?

The images of dentists reopening is shocking. I would not want to open my under a loosely masked face or two or three right now. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

And what good would cancer surgery be if the cancer patient gets COVID in the hospital?

The images of dentists reopening is shocking. I would not want to open my under a loosely masked face or two or three right now. No thank you.

Are you aware of the fact that an untreated cavity can lead to an infection that can enter a person's bloodstream? Dental issues can relatively quickly become very serious.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

And what good would cancer surgery be if the cancer patient gets COVID in the hospital?

The images of dentists reopening is shocking. I would not want to open my under a loosely masked face or two or three right now. No thank you.

MOST PEOPLE RECOVER FROM COVID. You do know that, don't you?

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Socialized medicine throughout Europe did not have enough personal protection. Canadians routinely come to the US for surgeries as they can't get routine surgeries scheduled in Canada without a 2-5 year backlog. The Canadians gladly pay cash and appreciate the 30 day schedule and also the quality of our surgeons.

Sounds like the best of both worlds. I'll take it.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

I did not say it was irrational fear. If the leaders in our country continue with this philosophy, there is a likelihood that food lines, poverty, etc. will come to pass. It doesn't have to happen that way - there is no need for it to happen that way, but for the fact that our political leaders believe that any social support breeds laziness and thus people should work until they die (quite literally) for anything that they might need despite the fact that we have enough wealth in the country to pull everyone through and get to the other side without requiring people to needlessly put themselves in harms way to do so.

This is where you are misinformed. This country does not have enough wealth. Over $20 trillion in debt. The government is not, nor never ever has been, equipped to provide every need for every citizen. We must get back to work.

The government needs to requisition money from the top 1%. If this is war time, and Trump can force minimum wage workers back into a meat packing plant where coworkers are getting sick and dying, then he can take those assets. That way only the top 1% would have lifestyles that would be drastically altered and the rest of us can survive. Such is life, top 1%-ers. Did you think it would last forever?

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

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Anonymous wrote:New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

That’s great — with number of deaths for each group. That’s very important for family members to be able to access.

Also important for the general public, so we have a concrete sense of how much this is largely a nursing home issue when it comes to deaths in MD.

It's a nursing home issue because that's where large groups of people are. The rest of us are practicing social distancing. The same numbers will apply anywhere people start to congregate again.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

And what good would cancer surgery be if the cancer patient gets COVID in the hospital?

The images of dentists reopening is shocking. I would not want to open my under a loosely masked face or two or three right now. No thank you.

Are you aware of the fact that an untreated cavity can lead to an infection that can enter a person's bloodstream? Dental issues can relatively quickly become very serious.

So can COVID19, so it's a toss up. Still not opening my mouth under a loosely fitted mask unless I'm in serious pain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

That’s great — with number of deaths for each group. That’s very important for family members to be able to access.

Also important for the general public, so we have a concrete sense of how much this is largely a nursing home issue when it comes to deaths in MD.

It's a nursing home issue because that's where large groups of people are. The rest of us are practicing social distancing. The same numbers will apply anywhere people start to congregate again.

You seriously think a nursing home--full of elderly, sick people--is the same as a group of, say, a bunch of 30 year olds playing kickball on the National Mall, or working together in an office?

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

And what good would cancer surgery be if the cancer patient gets COVID in the hospital?

The images of dentists reopening is shocking. I would not want to open my under a loosely masked face or two or three right now. No thank you.

Are you aware of the fact that an untreated cavity can lead to an infection that can enter a person's bloodstream? Dental issues can relatively quickly become very serious.

So can COVID19, so it's a toss up. Still not opening my mouth under a loosely fitted mask unless I'm in serious pain.

If you are in serious tooth pain, you're already signing yourself up for a painful, expensive procedure.

But be my guest -- stay home -- and then pay the thousands of dollars to a dentist.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

No governor thinks the path of least resistance is imposing economic hardship. How stupid can you get. That's the hard choice, not the easy one.