22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

Rolling your eyes at an ER doctor who has been working to treat COVID patients in NYC.

Nice.

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Anonymous wrote:New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

That’s great — with number of deaths for each group. That’s very important for family members to be able to access.

Also important for the general public, so we have a concrete sense of how much this is largely a nursing home issue when it comes to deaths in MD.

It's a nursing home issue because that's where large groups of people are. The rest of us are practicing social distancing. The same numbers will apply anywhere people start to congregate again.

You seriously think a nursing home--full of elderly, sick people--is the same as a group of, say, a bunch of 30 year olds playing kickball on the National Mall, or working together in an office?

Or working in a meat packing plant? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

And if someone reports you and you are given a hard time I will be donating to your Gofundme legal defense. And I do mean that. Be free!

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

NYC is on the downslope. Whether or not that's the time to reopen is for experts and Cuomo to decide.

The rest of the country, barring Washington state, is still on the upslope. Upslope, not downslope.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

NYC is on the downslope. Whether or not that's the time to reopen is for experts and Cuomo to decide.

The rest of the country, barring Washington state, is still on the upslope. Upslope, not downslope.

Not true. Look at the graphs in the link below. Plenty of down slopes


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

France had 10,000 deaths in nursing homes due to Coronavirus, the highest rate in the world.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-coronavirus-outmaneuvered-frances-health-care-system-11587906000?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=7

There was no protective gear for workers.

Anyone over 70 could not be sent to an emergency room.

Nursing homes were death traps in France, home of highly socialized medicine. Workers did not have the equipment they needed either.

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

France had 10,000 deaths in nursing homes due to Coronavirus, the highest rate in the world.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-coronavirus-outmaneuvered-frances-health-care-system-11587906000?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=7

There was no protective gear for workers.

Anyone over 70 could not be sent to an emergency room.

Nursing homes were death traps in France, home of highly socialized medicine. Workers did not have the equipment they needed either.

Same with UK (on track to have the highest COVID-19 deaths in Europe). Home of the famous NHS. Same with Spain and Italy and Belgium and Switzerland, all with substantial safety nets and nationalized health cares. Did diddly squat.

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Italy had some nursing homes where staff walked off the job. Seniors were left to die alone with no care. Days later the police/military went into the homes and encountered dozens of corpses. Again, socialized medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

And if someone reports you and you are given a hard time I will be donating to your Gofundme legal defense. And I do mean that. Be free!

Cool. Where do you live? I'm just asking because if we get to decide what laws to break, I'm going to break into your house and steal all your things while you're out socializing.

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I'll just say it

If we all die a couple years earlier its more beneficial for society

Most people in nursing homes die within 2 years. It costs hundreds of thousands per patient to take care of and provide healthcare those last two years. Not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

I desperately want this to be true. In fact I'm pretty sure my family and I all had it (I took an antibody test, tested positive, but know it's not a perfect test). But then why are deaths continuing to be so high? Why aren't deaths nationally and in this area starting to trend downward? If anything, they should be reflecting what happened about four weeks ago, which I think was when the most people were taking the social distancing the most seriously. So that concerns me, quite a bit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

France had 10,000 deaths in nursing homes due to Coronavirus, the highest rate in the world.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-coronavirus-outmaneuvered-frances-health-care-system-11587906000?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=7

There was no protective gear for workers.

Anyone over 70 could not be sent to an emergency room.

Nursing homes were death traps in France, home of highly socialized medicine. Workers did not have the equipment they needed either.

Thank God for our private owned facilities in the USA. France used to be on my list of places to see. Not anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

And if someone reports you and you are given a hard time I will be donating to your Gofundme legal defense. And I do mean that. Be free!

Cool. Where do you live? I'm just asking because if we get to decide what laws to break, I'm going to break into your house and steal all your things while you're out socializing.

You are still allowed to go to the store and visit your friends, Einstein. You have NEVER been allowed to hold people hostage or rob them blind - you just think that's o.k. But ignorance of the law is no defense. Off to jail with you!

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

I desperately want this to be true. In fact I'm pretty sure my family and I all had it (I took an antibody test, tested positive, but know it's not a perfect test). But then why are deaths continuing to be so high? Why aren't deaths nationally and in this area starting to trend downward? If anything, they should be reflecting what happened about four weeks ago, which I think was when the most people were taking the social distancing the most seriously. So that concerns me, quite a bit.

We actually don't have that many deaths, relatively speaking. 60k is nothing in a country that suffers around 50k deaths each month from heart disease. And the majority of deaths are still concentrated in the tri-state region.

That aside, most of the lingering deaths are strongly associated with nursing homes, not community spread. Most deaths in many states (very high percentages in some) are from nursing homes. So it's apples and oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

NO They. Are. NOT. Not uniformly, and not all across the country.

Exactly. This ER doctor who works in NYC says we need to open back up: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Ignore the fact that it's published in the NY Post. That doesn't change the fact that this is someone with experience working the frontlines.

ALL reports coming out of New York now show the virus under control in hospitals. In fact, many nurses who traveled there to help out in the recent chaotic weeks are leaving because there is not enough for them to do and the Covid patients are being released much more frequently than they are coming in.

It's over, guys. Sorry - I know that there are some of you who love this. But the rest of us are done and moving on. As soon as this rain passes, I'm back out and about... with friends ... and having people over to my house again. I am NOT waiting for the government to "lead" on this. They know nothing more definitive than any of us do, and are naturally going to take the path of least resisitance.

I desperately want this to be true. In fact I'm pretty sure my family and I all had it (I took an antibody test, tested positive, but know it's not a perfect test). But then why are deaths continuing to be so high? Why aren't deaths nationally and in this area starting to trend downward? If anything, they should be reflecting what happened about four weeks ago, which I think was when the most people were taking the social distancing the most seriously. So that concerns me, quite a bit.

We actually don't have that many deaths, relatively speaking. 60k is nothing in a country that suffers around 50k deaths each month from heart disease. And the majority of deaths are still concentrated in the tri-state region.

Yep. Our per capita death rate is still below a lot of European countries. As of yesterday, we are below Switzerland, Ireland, Sweden, Netherlands, France, UK, Italy, Spain, and Belgium. I am excluding several very small countries because computing per capita numbers for them is wonky.

Also, NY has about 23,000 deaths, so keep that in mind when you look at our totals.
That aside, most of the lingering deaths are strongly associated with nursing homes, not community spread. Most deaths in many states (very high percentages in some) are from nursing homes. So it's apples and oranges.