22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

Avg life expectancy for someone born in 1950s is 70-72 yrs. Avg life expectancy for those those today is late 70s-80- in non covid times. Awesome if you make it past that and are trying to keep healthy and go to the gym, etc., but the country should not have to come to screeching halt to keep people already at the end of their life alive a little bit longer. That is not “for the greater good”

49.2M people in US as of 2016. Lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

These are largely affluent people who have had the lifelong benefit of good nutrition, non strenuous physical labor, and access to high quality medical care. People from other backgrounds have very different experiences of their seventies and eighties.

[Anonymous]

MD’s nursing home numbers updated today and the situation is even worse for people there.

Cases:
Residents — 4342 — 15% of total MD cases
Staff — 1926 — 6.7% of total MD cases

Deaths:
Residents — 793 — 59% of total MD deaths
Staff — 11 — 0.8% of total MD deaths

At a 0.5% fatality rate among staff, we continue to see them falling below MD’s overall fatality rate of 4.7%, which is obviously good for that population.

If you assume all nursing home residents are above 60, 66% of deaths in that age group are in nursing homes.

[Anonymous]

Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

I agree. What’s particularly striking to me is how many deaths in that older age bracket are coming from nursing homes.

The fatality rate of those 60+ not in nursing homes is about 9%. Still scarily high, but nothing like the nursing home fatality rate, which is 18%. Older people are still quite vulnerable, but they aren’t as vulnerable if they aren’t in nursing homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

That's basically what Florida is doing. Devoting most of their COVID-19 resources to nursing homes and monitoring and quarantining them while reopening for everyone else.

People and conspiracy theorists will want to screech but this is what the rest of the country will be doing in a matter of time.

[Anonymous]

FYI for folks who are tracking this: nursing home data for MD updates every Wednesday around 10am, according to MD’s COVID website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

I agree. What’s particularly striking to me is how many deaths in that older age bracket are coming from nursing homes.

The fatality rate of those 60+ not in nursing homes is about 9%. Still scarily high, but nothing like the nursing home fatality rate, which is 18%. Older people are still quite vulnerable, but they aren’t as vulnerable if they aren’t in nursing homes.

Which just makes sense — if you need skilled nursing care to survive, almost any illness or setback (I.e. a fall) is going to be enough to kill you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

That's basically what Florida is doing. Devoting most of their COVID-19 resources to nursing homes and monitoring and quarantining them while reopening for everyone else.

People and conspiracy theorists will want to screech but this is what the rest of the country will be doing in a matter of time.

DeSantis certainly seems a bit of an idiot, but Florida has done very well so far given that it had early cases and has a very old population. Florida also has second most international visitors after NY. The state has weathered spring breakers, cruise drop offs, fleeing ny’ers, etc. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MD’s nursing home numbers updated today and the situation is even worse for people there.

Cases:
Residents — 4342 — 15% of total MD cases
Staff — 1926 — 6.7% of total MD cases

Deaths:
Residents — 793 — 59% of total MD deaths
Staff — 11 — 0.8% of total MD deaths

At a 0.5% fatality rate among staff, we continue to see them falling below MD’s overall fatality rate of 4.7%, which is obviously good for that population.

If you assume all nursing home residents are above 60, 66% of deaths in that age group are in nursing homes.

Nursing home staff tend to be in good physical health and fairly young because it's an intensely physical job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

I agree. What’s particularly striking to me is how many deaths in that older age bracket are coming from nursing homes.

The fatality rate of those 60+ not in nursing homes is about 9%. Still scarily high, but nothing like the nursing home fatality rate, which is 18%. Older people are still quite vulnerable, but they aren’t as vulnerable if they aren’t in nursing homes.

But let's use some logic here. They are more vulnerable to begin with, which is why they're in the nursing home. Yes, the rate of infection is higher because of contact with staff that those not in the home don't have. But the fatality rate is higher because they were sicker to begin with--not because you're less likely to survive just because you're in the nursing home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD’s nursing home numbers updated today and the situation is even worse for people there.

Cases:
Residents — 4342 — 15% of total MD cases
Staff — 1926 — 6.7% of total MD cases

Deaths:
Residents — 793 — 59% of total MD deaths
Staff — 11 — 0.8% of total MD deaths

At a 0.5% fatality rate among staff, we continue to see them falling below MD’s overall fatality rate of 4.7%, which is obviously good for that population.

If you assume all nursing home residents are above 60, 66% of deaths in that age group are in nursing homes.

Nursing home staff tend to be in good physical health and fairly young because it's an intensely physical job.

When was the last time you were in a nursing home? This just isn't true. I agree that it can be an intense job, but I haven't seen a super fit and healthy work force in the ones I have been to recently.

[Anonymous]

My late father's local skilled nursing home and my grandma's in Atlanta had predominantly African (both places, Ghana) , Eastern European and Central American immigrants.

Average age 40.

[Anonymous]

I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

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