22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

No one is saying life isn't worth living for people in nursing homes, but it's relevant to note that people in nursing homes are medically vulnerable to begin with and are more susceptible to any illness. The median survival rate is not that long, 2.2 years in the study below.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

What about the other 50% of deaths?

If 50% are nursing homes, the other 50% are not nursing homes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MD’s nursing home numbers updated today and the situation is even worse for people there.

Cases:
Residents — 4342 — 15% of total MD cases
Staff — 1926 — 6.7% of total MD cases

Deaths:
Residents — 793 — 59% of total MD deaths
Staff — 11 — 0.8% of total MD deaths

At a 0.5% fatality rate among staff, we continue to see them falling below MD’s overall fatality rate of 4.7%, which is obviously good for that population.

If you assume all nursing home residents are above 60, 66% of deaths in that age group are in nursing homes.

Nursing home staff tend to be in good physical health and fairly young because it's an intensely physical job.

When was the last time you were in a nursing home? This just isn't true. I agree that it can be an intense job, but I haven't seen a super fit and healthy work force in the ones I have been to recently.

The data show they are quite young. Among CNAs in nursing homes median age is 35 and almost a quarter are under 24. Most are female.

https://phinational.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/phi-nursing-assistants-key-facts.pdf

[Anonymous]

Some people are in nursing homes to recover from something temporarily. Not everyone there has a life expectancy of 2 years. I’ve read about deaths from COVID to people who are in a nursing home/rehab center recovering from an injury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

What about the other 50% of deaths?

If 50% are nursing homes, the other 50% are not nursing homes.

Wow, math genius here!

89% of MD’s overall deaths are among those 60+. 73% are among those 70+.

We have zero deaths among those under the age of 20. Actually, I’ll just post the age distribution of deaths:

0-19: 0
20s: 11
30s: 19
40s: 38
50s: 98
60s: 232
70s: 371
80+: 691

Age unknown: 100

[Anonymous]

There needs to be more vigorous hygiene standards in these places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

What about the other 50% of deaths?

If 50% are nursing homes, the other 50% are not nursing homes.

Even outside nursing homes most of the deaths are of similar demographics.

The unfortunate reality is that we can't save everyone and people will continue to die from the virus. The identified high risk categories need to continue quarantining themselves and allowing everyone else to get on with life. The idea that we can declare "war" on the virus was always grossly misleading and a mistake.

[Anonymous]

yup

so refreshing to have a thread with facts without all the testing zealots and people fearful of leaving to do anything

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

I’ll quote four of the more recent distasteful quotes:



It is also a tragedy to rot away in a nursing home until you’re 95 and eventually die from sitting in your feces and urine soaked infected bed sores- or severe dementia.


Covid at 80+ in a nursing home sounds like a better alternative



I’ll just say it

If we all die a couple years earlier its more beneficial for society

Most people in nursing homes die within 2 years. It costs hundreds of thousands per patient to take care of and provide healthcare those last two years. Not worth it.


When was the last time you were in a nursing home? This just isn't true. I agree that it can be an intense job, but I haven't seen a super fit and healthy work force in the ones I have been to recently

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once again this proved this epidemic hits the most vulnerable the hardest

For the vast majority of us it's very minor and we should start functioning like we do during the flu season

watchful, stay home if you are sick, but generally go about your business.

That's basically what Florida is doing. Devoting most of their COVID-19 resources to nursing homes and monitoring and quarantining them while reopening for everyone else.

People and conspiracy theorists will want to screech but this is what the rest of the country will be doing in a matter of time.

DeSantis certainly seems a bit of an idiot, but Florida has done very well so far given that it had early cases and has a very old population. Florida also has second most international visitors after NY. The state has weathered spring breakers, cruise drop offs, fleeing ny’ers, etc. . .

But just wait two more weeks.....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Er, just how old (young) are people on here that they think 70 is old??

My local yoga center is filled with 70s standing on their heads and doing shoulder-stand.

I am late 50s with 3 teenagers. My parents are in their 80s and until a month ago went to the gym everyday.

There is a large number 70+ in my masters swimming group.

70s folks are yesterday's hippies! They fought hard to get that weed legalized for you.

If they're old and healthy, they will be fine. If they have substantial health problems then they need to quarantine themselves.

Most COVID-19 infections among the elderly are not lethal.

Sure. In MD there are about 2,000 cases among those in their 70s and 250 deaths.

Where are the positive tests for those 250?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

What about the other 50% of deaths?

If 50% are nursing homes, the other 50% are not nursing homes.

Even outside nursing homes most of the deaths are of similar demographics.

The unfortunate reality is that we can't save everyone and people will continue to die from the virus. The identified high risk categories need to continue quarantining themselves and allowing everyone else to get on with life. The idea that we can declare "war" on the virus was always grossly misleading and a mistake.

What would you have suggested instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m bothered by the tone of many of these posts, saying life just isn’t worth living anyway for people in nursing homes, and giving excuses why nursing home workers might be ill, like they weren’t “super fit.”

It’s a good thing we don’t make policy based on the prejudices of the young. Right now you might think life isn’t worthy living once you get wrinkles, but you may change your mind someday.

Who has said that?!

Yeah I don’t think anyone is advocating killing the elderly here. If anything it’s focus resources on high risk populations, such as managed care facilities while carefully reopening states.

What about the other 50% of deaths?

If 50% are nursing homes, the other 50% are not nursing homes.

Even outside nursing homes most of the deaths are of similar demographics.

The unfortunate reality is that we can't save everyone and people will continue to die from the virus. The identified high risk categories need to continue quarantining themselves and allowing everyone else to get on with life. The idea that we can declare "war" on the virus was always grossly misleading and a mistake.

What would you have suggested instead?

The post summarized it. Quarantine the high risk categories. We can add to that further quarantining and extensive testing/daily temperature checks of all nursing home staff and residents. Beyond that life must go on for everyone else.