22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

I did not say it was irrational fear. If the leaders in our country continue with this philosophy, there is a likelihood that food lines, poverty, etc. will come to pass. It doesn't have to happen that way - there is no need for it to happen that way, but for the fact that our political leaders believe that any social support breeds laziness and thus people should work until they die (quite literally) for anything that they might need despite the fact that we have enough wealth in the country to pull everyone through and get to the other side without requiring people to needlessly put themselves in harms way to do so.

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Seniors were deserted to die alone in nursing homes in Italy. Workers walked off the job and deserted the seniors. Entire staffs walked off their jobs and did not notify anyone. Police stumbled upon the scenes days later. So much for socialized medicine.

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Yes that was my point. Many of the so called conservatives are touting sweden opening up without acknowledging that they have a string safety net unlike here.

The strong safety net failed the seniors in Italy. Workers walked off their jobs en masse to leave seniors to die alone in nursing homes. Workers did not tell anyone. Police stumbled upon the death scenes days and sometimes weeks later.
This happened across Italy.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

I did not say it was irrational fear. If the leaders in our country continue with this philosophy, there is a likelihood that food lines, poverty, etc. will come to pass. It doesn't have to happen that way - there is no need for it to happen that way, but for the fact that our political leaders believe that any social support breeds laziness and thus people should work until they die (quite literally) for anything that they might need despite the fact that we have enough wealth in the country to pull everyone through and get to the other side without requiring people to needlessly put themselves in harms way to do so.

Fair enough. This was more a response to the “what went wrong growing up poster”

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Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Socialized medicine throughout Europe did not have enough personal protection. Canadians routinely come to the US for surgeries as they can't get routine surgeries scheduled in Canada without a 2-5 year backlog. The Canadians gladly pay cash and appreciate the 30 day schedule and also the quality of our surgeons.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

I did not say it was irrational fear. If the leaders in our country continue with this philosophy, there is a likelihood that food lines, poverty, etc. will come to pass. It doesn't have to happen that way - there is no need for it to happen that way, but for the fact that our political leaders believe that any social support breeds laziness and thus people should work until they die (quite literally) for anything that they might need despite the fact that we have enough wealth in the country to pull everyone through and get to the other side without requiring people to needlessly put themselves in harms way to do so.

This is where you are misinformed. This country does not have enough wealth. Over $20 trillion in debt. The government is not, nor never ever has been, equipped to provide every need for every citizen. We must get back to work.

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New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

We are in debt because stupid republicans keep giving tax breaks to the wealthy and the corporations, aka job makers, who are laying people off.
Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

I did not say it was irrational fear. If the leaders in our country continue with this philosophy, there is a likelihood that food lines, poverty, etc. will come to pass. It doesn't have to happen that way - there is no need for it to happen that way, but for the fact that our political leaders believe that any social support breeds laziness and thus people should work until they die (quite literally) for anything that they might need despite the fact that we have enough wealth in the country to pull everyone through and get to the other side without requiring people to needlessly put themselves in harms way to do so.

This is where you are misinformed. This country does not have enough wealth. Over $20 trillion in debt. The government is not, nor never ever has been, equipped to provide every need for every citizen. We must get back to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

Socialized medicine throughout Europe did not have enough personal protection. Canadians routinely come to the US for surgeries as they can't get routine surgeries scheduled in Canada without a 2-5 year backlog. The Canadians gladly pay cash and appreciate the 30 day schedule and also the quality of our surgeons.

Rich Canadians you mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

That’s great — with number of deaths for each group. That’s very important for family members to be able to access.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see a dentist? What are you talking about? Dental offices are still open for emergency procedures.

And it's only been what, a month? Teeth already falling out of their heads? Oh, the drama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

That's right, doctors, researchers and scientists should, and they're telling us to keep the economy shut down for now.

Dunno. It's politicians shutting down the economy. Plenty of doctors and scientists who have different views. But I guess that's what happens when YouTube removes dissenting viewpoints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New reporting on nursing home breaks down staff versus residents

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/pages/hcf-resources

That’s great — with number of deaths for each group. That’s very important for family members to be able to access.

Also important for the general public, so we have a concrete sense of how much this is largely a nursing home issue when it comes to deaths in MD.