Girl Raped at Rockville HS

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax county has a similar program in its schools as well. As long as students register before their 18th birthday, they can be placed in high school and stay until 22. How ages are verified, I don't know. Now, does anyone over 18 need to be taught in a regular high school or can/should their right to an education be met in an alternative environment?

I posted this above. This is only for ESOL students. We have gotten so many older students this year with little to know education in their countries - it is next to impossible that they can graduate in 4 years. It's an issue we ESOL teachers have talked about for years.

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MCPS website states that anyone under 19th birthday can register as a student. If the student starts 9th grade when s/he is one day before their 19th birthday, they will graduate from HS at almost 23! Why dont MCPS put them in an alternative program, teach them basic langsuge skill, trach them the law in the US, and may make them into productive adults?

Most of them do become productive adults. That is why we educate them.

My friend's step daughter came to live with them. Her mother died in a car accident. She was 16 and only spoke Spanish. She graduated and is in college.

As the FCPS ESOL teacher, I have to say that most will not graduate. I have taught for 16 years and have seen maybe 10 total students who came at age 17-18 and who worked their way from ESOL 1 to graduation. The odds are just stacked against them if they are coming at that age from a place where education was not great and maybe they've been out of school for several years. Most of these students can barely read so to expect them to pass English 11, US History, Algebra II, etc is just not going to happen.

This doesn't mean they won't be productive citizens someday, but we need other options. Vocational training, etc so they can get jobs.

This 100%. Who are we kidding. Why do we think that someone with limited education and speaks very liitle or no English at age 17 will ever catch up to the curriculum. Why is this even allowed to happen is a mystery to me. We are not helping anyone here.

Untrue. We are actually helping everybody. These students are way more successful than you are willing to believe. The alternative is not a good story that actually does hurt everyone.

So do you believe that the 17 and 18 year old boys who raped this poor girl were appropriately placed in a public high school as 9th graders?

Yeah, sorry - I'm a moco liberal but I'm reaching my limit here. None of this is good for anyone. The events of just a few weeks ago were awful enough (read below). I think we should be leaning toward taking in the younger ones, perhaps not the teens, sorry.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/i-have-been-set-up-final-minutes-of-15-year-old-killed-in-gang-slaying-described/2017/03/02/bc2bcbce-fd29-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html

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Just checked DACA age limit. It is 31! I thought DACA is only protect child.

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Anonymous wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC7Kevin/status/842789429278359552/photo/3

Here is a copy of the police report, read how these pieces of trash sodomized this child and then come back with your consensual bullshit

I couldn't finish reading this. It made me so sick. Why do we value political correctness over the safety of our own communities?

Well it is the day after st. Patrick's day, so I am sure there were a few other rapes reported last night in moco. Have you read those reports?

Are you so naive to think this is the only rose in moco this week. Why not care about the other rapes?

Sarcasm is not helpful.

I am not being sarcastic. Call moco on Monday and ask how many rapes were reported this weekend. #headinsand

Actually the data is live an open to the public. It's here:
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data

Looking from 3/16 onwards, there were NO arrests for rape from 3/16 until today. There was one arrest (Thompson) for sexual abuse of a minor though.

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Anonymous wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC7Kevin/status/842789429278359552/photo/3

Here is a copy of the police report, read how these pieces of trash sodomized this child and then come back with your consensual bullshit

I couldn't finish reading this. It made me so sick. Why do we value political correctness over the safety of our own communities?

Well it is the day after st. Patrick's day, so I am sure there were a few other rapes reported last night in moco. Have you read those reports?

Are you so naive to think this is the only rose in moco this week. Why not care about the other rapes?

Sarcasm is not helpful.

I am not being sarcastic. Call moco on Monday and ask how many rapes were reported this weekend. #headinsand

Actually the data is live an open to the public. It's here:
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data

Looking from 3/16 onwards, there were NO arrests for rape from 3/16 until today. There was one arrest (Thompson) for sexual abuse of a minor though.

Of course there are no arrests, it's rape. We don't arrest for rape in montgomery county. I said how many were reported.

Sure they arrest for a minor because somebody was probably a required reporter and well it's a minor, you can prove there was no consent.

Actually, since it is public ... See how many arrests there are for rape in moco... Not many... It's sad, then look at how many are reported, it's pretty pathetic. And then all the rapes not reported, because girls don't want their parents to know they skipped school, or drank at party.

It's an epidemic.

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Rockville has always had a rough side to it.

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RHS cluster parent here. We have looked into moving several times for schools. We decided against it for now because houses zoned for W schools in our measly price range of $650K are smaller and need a lot of work compared to our current house. But now I'm thinking, if an 18 year old with an alien removal order can register for 9th grade at RHS, why doesn't the county let me register my kids for Wooton even though I'm not zoned for it? The academic performance and peer environment at RHS don't meet our kids needs. Don't you think the county would sympathize with us?

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Anonymous wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC7Kevin/status/842789429278359552/photo/3

Here is a copy of the police report, read how these pieces of trash sodomized this child and then come back with your consensual bullshit

I couldn't finish reading this. It made me so sick. Why do we value political correctness over the safety of our own communities?

Well it is the day after st. Patrick's day, so I am sure there were a few other rapes reported last night in moco. Have you read those reports?

Are you so naive to think this is the only rose in moco this week. Why not care about the other rapes?

Sarcasm is not helpful.

I am not being sarcastic. Call moco on Monday and ask how many rapes were reported this weekend. #headinsand

Actually the data is live an open to the public. It's here:
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data

Looking from 3/16 onwards, there were NO arrests for rape from 3/16 until today. There was one arrest (Thompson) for sexual abuse of a minor though.

Of course there are no arrests, it's rape. We don't arrest for rape in montgomery county. I said how many were reported.

Sure they arrest for a minor because somebody was probably a required reporter and well it's a minor, you can prove there was no consent.

Actually, since it is public ... See how many arrests there are for rape in moco... Not many... It's sad, then look at how many are reported, it's pretty pathetic. And then all the rapes not reported, because girls don't want their parents to know they skipped school, or drank at party.

It's an epidemic.

Ok, we'll go by annual statistics for MoCo of reported rapes then. See page 4 of their report:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Resources/Files/crime/MCP2015AnnualCrimeReportFINAL.pdf

Here's the key information:

The number of rapes recorded this year reflects a dramatic increase of 117.2%, or 278 rapes in 2015
versus 128 in 2014. This includes 259 completed acts and 19 attempts. This increase can be
attributed primarily to two administrative reporting factors:

In 2015, the state of Maryland enacted the new definition of rape that was established by the FBI in
2013. The FBI now defines rape as penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any
body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the
victim. This definition resulted in 74 additional rape classifications in 2015.

In 2015, the police department also changed an
administrative report writing hierarchy rule
related to counting certain offenses, whereby child
abuse cases involving rape are now counted as
rape, rather than child abuse. This was a
significant change and is most obvious when you
look at the number of rapes, the number of sex
offenses, and the number of child abuse cases, as
highlighted here.

These two factors alone account for 48% of all the reported rapes in Montgomery County, or 89% of
the increase. Only six of all of the rape offenses were committed by a stranger; the rest were
committed by someone known to the victim, such as a family member, neighbor, or friend of the family.

So 48% of rapes in MoCo were child sexual abuse that is now classified as rape instead of child sexual abuse. Taking those out to look at the type of rape people fear more (because it's random) that's about 120 cases or 2 per week.

Then 6 total were "stranger danger" or totally random rapes.

None of this is good -- I'm sure we'd all prefer it it was 0 -- but I'm not sure this is an epidemic.

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^. You are not counting the dash-1 reports. Those are reported as rapes and cops decide it wasn't, so they don't go into those statistics.

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^ you think bring raped by someone you know is "less of a fear" than a stranger rape? Or somehow worse?

Btw, the 14 yo knew 1 of the rapists, so I guess that one was less awful.

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I am the Mom of a 5 yo so not dealing with HS issues yet. I am shocked though that 18yo's can be freshman. I don't want my 14yo in class with 17 and 18 yo's. Is this true for all HS's in Moco?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By this time in the 2 weeks this story will be national. Too much red meat for the right in the shadow of the nations capital. MoCo has deteriorated into a shell of its former self.

I hope so. I want more information and I want to know how MCPS is going to deal with this going forward. Any changes made?

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278 RAPES in montgomery county, many of them minors.

And all the newspaper report is Hispanic crime. What is up with that!?!

Why doesn't anybody care about the other rapes?

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Anonymous wrote:278 RAPES in montgomery county, many of them minors.

And all the newspaper report is Hispanic crime. What is up with that!?!

Why doesn't anybody care about the other rapes?

FFS. Start a new thread.

This particular rape is getting attention because it happened IN A SCHOOL. During school hours.

If you can't understand why, that's just nuts.

I don't care if the girl knew one of the boys are not. MCPS should be able to keep girls safe from a brutal rape such as this one. The system totally failed this poor girl.

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Anonymous wrote:278 RAPES in montgomery county, many of them minors.

And all the newspaper report is Hispanic crime. What is up with that!?!

Why doesn't anybody care about the other rapes?

Half of those were sexual abuse of minors by a family member. Those don't usually make the papers.

The other half was mostly date rapes or other cases where the adult victim and adult assailant knew each other.

6 were where victim and assailant didn't know each other, like the rape at Rockville Metro a few months ago where a guy basically jumped out of the bushes an attacked a woman walking to the parking lot. That made the news for sure.

It's just like abduction cases. Nearly all child abductions are by someone the child knows, typically a custody battle (think divorced parents). It's very rare for a random person to abduct a child they don't know. When it happens, it does make the news.

I think it comes down to people fear (or the media feels people fear) that which seems random or that they can't control. We fear a random stranger in a parking lot attacking us, because it's unprovoked and random, and could happen to anyone. It's hard to control and prevent that situation.

We worry less when we hear a case of domestic violence or family abuse, since in our own home, we can take steps to prevent that.. or at least it's sort of in our control.

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Anonymous wrote:278 RAPES in montgomery county, many of them minors.

And all the newspaper report is Hispanic crime. What is up with that!?!

Why doesn't anybody care about the other rapes?

FFS. Start a new thread.

This particular rape is getting attention because it happened IN A SCHOOL. During school hours.

If you can't understand why, that's just nuts.

I don't care if the girl knew one of the boys are not. MCPS should be able to keep girls safe from a brutal rape such as this one. The system totally failed this poor girl.

I agree. This is scary because it can happen to anyone's child who's just attending school like a good student. You can teach your child right from wrong and not to hang around with the wrong crowd, but what can you teach them to stop this?

Definitely MCPS needs to address this in a big way. On the places that reported it (WashPost, Bethesda Magazine), they both turned off comments for the article. It's like they are trying to suppress discussion of a topic of concern for thousands of MoCo parents.