USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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You all realize this list is incomplete and isn’t verified. It’s missing 7-9. Looks like a draft

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to put things in perspective.

I just heard on NPR that less than 1% of all college undergrads attend an Ivy League school.

It was only 0.8% of all students yet these are the 8 schools that most parents/kids focus on. It’s not realistic.

Branch out.

Our HS counselor says this all the time.

Sure branch out is the right answer for most. Tho for students who are well within the top 1% nationally it is a valid goal to aim ivy or other T15. Would you tell a top high school basketball player getting lots of d1 coach interest to give up on an NBA dream? No. Our counselors encouraged the true top talent to go for the ivy/+ schools if they want, and told the others to not stress over names and branch out.

Ours sort of dragged focusing on the Ivies/T15. Also quoted the less than 1% of all undergrads in the US will get to study at an Ivy. But, I agree, top students should shoot their shot. Nothing to lose.

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I'm a Googler as well but that doesn't give me any deep insights into which top colleges are most impressive. I can say we have interns and new grads from a large number of schools and have been casting a wider rather than narrower net over the last 5+ years in where people come from (yes, still a lot from Stanford and Cal though).

Focusing so much on a departmental major ranking for undergrad is a mistake to me. It isn't the same as choosing a grad program where you really are sure what you'll study and want to research.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Googler as well but that doesn't give me any deep insights into which top colleges are most impressive. I can say we have interns and new grads from a large number of schools and have been casting a wider rather than narrower net over the last 5+ years in where people come from (yes, still a lot from Stanford and Cal though).

Focusing so much on a departmental major ranking for undergrad is a mistake to me. It isn't the same as choosing a grad program where you really are sure what you'll study and want to research.

^ this board is obsessed with engineering. They literally can’t fathom people study other things or the value of not taking 99% of courses narrowly focused on one thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Better schools than CalTech

Berkeley
UVA
UNC Chapel Hill
Florida State
UGA
CU Boulder
Ohio State

At what? Football?

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My kid does not aspire to work for Google. lol who gives a fk where they hire from.

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Anonymous wrote:Better schools than CalTech

Berkeley
UVA
UNC Chapel Hill
Florida State
UGA
CU Boulder
Ohio State

At what? Football?

Not FSU or Colorado.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

i work for google and no it’s not as respected as MIT, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Illinois, Harvard, Michigan, Caltech, Berkeley, UCLA, amongst a slew of other schools.

You actually dont know wtf you are talking about.

That’s not what you said. You said there were “lots of better options”. Not “10”. You slagged the school without knowing it’s strong suit. If you knew what you were talking about you would have mentioned CMU before Princeton. And IMHO Brown CS is more impressive than U of I or UCLA and equal to Michigan’s.

And I have hired programmers for 30 years so your brag is not impressive to me.

i named 10 out of many many more. Brown CS is ranked 23rd for undergrad by US News, and that's generous.

No, Brown CS is not as impressive as Michigan or U of I.

Well that’s great since they are much easier admits. It’s near impossible to get into Brown now.

much easier? hardly

https://siebelschool.illinois.edu/academics/undergraduate/degree-program-options/cs-undergraduate-degree-options-faq#:~:text=CS%20is%20a%20very%20rigorous,an%20admit%20rate%20of%206.7%25.

U of I CS has a 6.7% acceptance rate. Now imagine out of state

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.golocalprov.com/news/Brown-Scrambles-After-Poor-College-Ranking-Hypes-the-Publication-It-Is-Qui

expected nothing less

One year old article that did not lead to anything.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

i work for google and no it’s not as respected as MIT, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Illinois, Harvard, Michigan, Caltech, Berkeley, UCLA, amongst a slew of other schools.

You actually dont know wtf you are talking about.

I am a CEO of a tech company and a former exec at two Fortune 500 tech companies. Brown grads are in the top group of hiring targets because they are well prepared and more than just STEM-focused.

No, I am not a Brown grad.

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I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

Test blind I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Googler as well but that doesn't give me any deep insights into which top colleges are most impressive. I can say we have interns and new grads from a large number of schools and have been casting a wider rather than narrower net over the last 5+ years in where people come from (yes, still a lot from Stanford and Cal though).

Focusing so much on a departmental major ranking for undergrad is a mistake to me. It isn't the same as choosing a grad program where you really are sure what you'll study and want to research.

I've done talks at Google

It's weird is what it is. If you are used to chats, and q and a's, and being the evening entertainment, and get excited by the back and forth, the Google thing is weird as hell. It's very passive young people on their laptops during the middle of the day. I think I'm pretty good, but Google is spectrum central. I don't mean that unkindly. But it is so different than a typical evening fun event.

At Google in the daytime, you are never anything else but some background noise. And you don't know that coming in. So it's weird and unsettling, even though you may have had a very nice lunch. It's like let's get the dry cleaning done. Or have some lunch. Or listen to some person talk about whatever.

It's an odd space.

I think the Google people are smart people for sure. But geez. I felt like the entertainer that was there to entertain them from 1-2.

And that's not a great space.

Whores

That's my general opinion of Google employees

Nice cafeteria though