USNWR Top 10 Leaked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

So they got rid of 7-9?

oy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

So they got rid of 7-9?

oy

Yes. Very strange the complete list isn’t there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Well they could turn up at 11 which is not that different, but agree that was out of line last year: most agree 11-15 is where they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

So they got rid of 7-9?

oy

Yes. Very strange the complete list isn’t there

Meaning 1-10

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it is weird that Hopkins is tied with Caltech?

I think that it is weird that CalTech, a school of fewer than 1,000 undergraduates, is ranked among much larger institutions which have a more complicated mission. CalTech is a small specialty school akin to Julliard, the Curtis School of Music, and Webb Naval Architecture.

In my view, I would replace CalTech with the University of Chicago.

[Anonymous]

Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have 4 schools at the rank of 6 because if there were 3, that would spell out 6-6-6 and then people would be afraid to apply to them.

Srsly, what kind of ranking system ends up with 4 6s in a Top 10. It's like they didn't get the assignment OR there's practically no difference in the education on offer.

I don't find that strange at all. If they want to reflect reality, they should really be doing tiers rather than numerical rankings because it's silly to me that a school at no. 7 is somehow objectively better than a school at no. 6. But I think they rank in specific numbers rather than in tiers because most people like it that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it is weird that Hopkins is tied with Caltech?

I think that it is weird that CalTech, a school of fewer than 1,000 undergraduates, is ranked among much larger institutions which have a more complicated mission. CalTech is a small specialty school akin to Julliard, the Curtis School of Music, and Webb Naval Architecture.

In my view, I would replace CalTech with the University of Chicago.

Its mission isn't different from MIT, and I see them as similar apart from the size. CalTech has massive cred in the STEM world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

I think an even more reasonable list might be:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
3) Stanford
5) Yale
6) Chicago
6) Duke
6) Johns Hopkins
6) Northwestern
6) U Penn

CalTech is too tiny (fewer than 1,000 undergraduates) and too specialized to be ranked among universities handling a much larger and more diverse educational mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it is weird that Hopkins is tied with Caltech?

I think that it is weird that CalTech, a school of fewer than 1,000 undergraduates, is ranked among much larger institutions which have a more complicated mission. CalTech is a small specialty school akin to Julliard, the Curtis School of Music, and Webb Naval Architecture.

In my view, I would replace CalTech with the University of Chicago.

Its mission isn't different from MIT, and I see them as similar apart from the size. CalTech has massive cred in the STEM world.

Agree that CalTech is a great institution, but it is tiny and specialized. Take the top 1,000 students at Chicago, Penn, Northwestern, or Duke and you would probably have a more stellar group of individuals than the 987 undergraduates at CalTech.

CalTech is a stellar institution, but it should be ranked in a specialty category just as are Julliard and the Curtis Institute of Music.

[Anonymous]

I think the list sounds about right. I don’t think size should matter. Should be quality of education and ability to get a job or grad school etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a normal list. You are always going to get debates about the t10, t20, t50. All these schools are top notch.

+1 does anyone actually believe there are real quality distinctions between all these very wealthy private schools? These ranking debates are so pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have 4 schools at the rank of 6 because if there were 3, that would spell out 6-6-6 and then people would be afraid to apply to them.

Srsly, what kind of ranking system ends up with 4 6s in a Top 10. It's like they didn't get the assignment OR there's practically no difference in the education on offer.

Of course there is no difference in the education on offer, at least not in a way that is captured by any numerical calculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a normal list. You are always going to get debates about the t10, t20, t50. All these schools are top notch.

+1 does anyone actually believe there are real quality distinctions between all these very wealthy private schools? These ranking debates are so pointless.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a normal list. You are always going to get debates about the t10, t20, t50. All these schools are top notch.

+1 does anyone actually believe there are real quality distinctions between all these very wealthy private schools? These ranking debates are so pointless.

Agree! There is very little difference.