USNWR Top 10 Leaked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

I think you mean they are ranked on the strength of faculty research, and most of those faculty want to spend as little time as possible with undergrads, and on the strength of the grad students, most of whom have never taught before.

These are issues with private universities as well, but at least they have far better ratios.

This lack of attention is one reason why UCB undergrads go on to earn PhDs at such a low rate (68th) compared to its private peers despite all the amazing research taking place on its campus.

Let’s not forget UCB guarantees only one year of on campus housing. Making friends and useful contacts is one of the primary benefits of attending college, and a 3/4 reduction in residential experience relative to many privates is not to be swept under the rug.

I like UCB and I think it’s a tremendous value. You’re just overstating its case pretty dramatically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

THE is primarily measuring research focus and quality. It’s not an undergrad ranking. In fact it penalizes via multiple measures for larger undergrad populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Cool - a bunch of rankings based on Berkeley grad school

Quite possibly the 6th best college in California after:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Harvey Mudd
UCLA (more applications than Berkeley for a reason)

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/california/

Or maybe worse according to the above

Thank good news I didn't have to be amongst the homeless across the bay

[Anonymous]

Duke sure made a run at the top

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Googler as well but that doesn't give me any deep insights into which top colleges are most impressive. I can say we have interns and new grads from a large number of schools and have been casting a wider rather than narrower net over the last 5+ years in where people come from (yes, still a lot from Stanford and Cal though).

Focusing so much on a departmental major ranking for undergrad is a mistake to me. It isn't the same as choosing a grad program where you really are sure what you'll study and want to research.

^ this board is obsessed with engineering. They literally can’t fathom people study other things or the value of not taking 99% of courses narrowly focused on one thing.

No.

It's a simple recognition that it's not 1995 anymore. And the really smart kids do tend to go towards engineering, math, computer science, neuroscience, philosophy, biology, neuroscience, and so on these days.

Perhaps in your era, they went towards "business administration."

It's a different era today.

And that's ok. It's super cool that there are still communications and psyche majors out there.

Go for it. Super awesome!

But some people are going to value the hard stuff - from engineering to philosophy.

Of course, if that's not your space that's cool. Not everyone is going to self-actualize with the difficult things

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Any proof. I heard they're aren't any publics in the T15.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Any proof. I heard they're aren't any publics in the T15.

I can certainly see US News doing that. They have a clear California public school bias that has nothing to do with the real world.

I'm from California, so this isn't some imaginary bias. Just a recognition of the weirdness of the US News fetish for California publics last year:

UC Berkeley - 15
UCLA - 15 (tie)
UC Davis - 24
UC San Diego - 28
UC Irvine - 33
UC Santa Barbara - 35
UC Merced - 60 (!!!)
UC Riverside - 76
UC Santa Cruz - 82
Cal State Long Beach - 105
San Diego State University - 105
Cal State Fullerton - 133
Cal State San Bernardino - 170
San Francisco State University - 178
Cal State Fresno - 185

And we are not even at Cal Poly in SLO, which is a legit good school.

I didn't meant to list so many California public universities. I didn't even get to to Cal Poly, which is what I was aiming for. And even after Cal State Fresno, I'm still not there.

But US News put out such a stupid list last year. I'll be very curious - as a Californian - to see this year's BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I have to defend my beloved Berkeley from you private school fan boys who probably can’t even find the administrations office without your counselor holding your hand. That’s why Berkeley grads run circles around you at the workplace. We’re actually taught how to survive in the real world.

Berkeley has been under-ranked for the last 30 or so years. You’re talking about US News rigging the methodology to favor publics last year? Well, what the heck did they do around 1990 when perennial top 5 Berkeley was suddenly pushed out of top 20? Even Michigan used to be consistently top 10.

Here are the facts: Berkeley has more top 10 departments than any school not named Harvard (I think we’re tied); including #1 CS, #2 engineering, #1 chemistry, #3 physics, #3 math, #1 english, #1 sociolgy, #1 english, #1 history, #3 political science, #1 psychology, and so on.

But, but, but those are grad school rankings. That’s how I know you’ve never attended a research university, otherwise you’d know the grad and undergraduate levels are intertwined; grad schools are ranked according to strength of faculty and students, and faculty also teaches the undergrads and grad students serve as TAs.

Berkeley also tied with Harvard with most Nobel prize (although I think we have more in recent memory. David card and Jennifer doudna each won one the last few years).

Our history is literally unrivaled, at least the last 100 years. From the Manhattan project, the free speech movement, contribution to tech and rise of Silicon Valley, periodic table, immunotherapy, gene editing, perhaps no institution has helped shape the country in the world more.

Times higher education calls us one of the super six universities, along with mit, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, and Cambridge.

So, eat it. I hope Berkeley moves up even higher this year in this stupid ranking just pissed you guys off even more. Time to accept the fact that public schools are just as good, if not better, than most ivies and “elite” private schools. Your time has passed. It’s the era of the tech-heavy schools.

if this was true, every top 10 ranking would be dominated by the top engineering schools which it is not


berkeley always has been and always will be an overpriced shithole for undergrad. a 4 year graduation rate in the 70s and now completely test optional. lolz

#5 forbes
#8 WSJ
#10 Washington monthly
#5 U.S. news global
#5 ARWU
#12 QS
#9 THE

And in a couple weeks, #13 US news national. You heard it here first. Cry.

Any proof. I heard they're aren't any publics in the T15.

I can certainly see US News doing that. They have a clear California public school bias that has nothing to do with the real world.

I'm from California, so this isn't some imaginary bias. Just a recognition of the weirdness of the US News fetish for California publics last year:

UC Berkeley - 15
UCLA - 15 (tie)
UC Davis - 24
UC San Diego - 28
UC Irvine - 33
UC Santa Barbara - 35
UC Merced - 60 (!!!)
UC Riverside - 76
UC Santa Cruz - 82
Cal State Long Beach - 105
San Diego State University - 105
Cal State Fullerton - 133
Cal State San Bernardino - 170
San Francisco State University - 178
Cal State Fresno - 185

And we are not even at Cal Poly in SLO, which is a legit good school.

I didn't meant to list so many California public universities. I didn't even get to to Cal Poly, which is what I was aiming for. And even after Cal State Fresno, I'm still not there.

But US News put out such a stupid list last year. I'll be very curious - as a Californian - to see this year's BS.

UC Davis, is 28. And USnews is removing first gen statistics from the ranking which is likely to hurt publics more than privates. I could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Duke sure made a run at the top

They sure did. And it's a little mystifying,

Within the South, both Vanderbilt and Rice are often regarded as better schools. And then nationally, add Brown, Northwestern, Chicago, Johns Hopkins, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Columbia. And why stop there. Add Williams, Swarthmore, West Point, and Annapolis.

The Duke run is very peculiar.

Basketball I guess. And I suspect Cooper Flagg will be the number one pick this year, so it shall continue.

Good for them. They know the game, and they play it well. Kudos to Duke,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Googler as well but that doesn't give me any deep insights into which top colleges are most impressive. I can say we have interns and new grads from a large number of schools and have been casting a wider rather than narrower net over the last 5+ years in where people come from (yes, still a lot from Stanford and Cal though).

Focusing so much on a departmental major ranking for undergrad is a mistake to me. It isn't the same as choosing a grad program where you really are sure what you'll study and want to research.

^ this board is obsessed with engineering. They literally can’t fathom people study other things or the value of not taking 99% of courses narrowly focused on one thing.

No.

It's a simple recognition that it's not 1995 anymore. And the really smart kids do tend to go towards engineering, math, computer science, neuroscience, philosophy, biology, neuroscience, and so on these days.

Perhaps in your era, they went towards "business administration."

It's a different era today.

And that's ok. It's super cool that there are still communications and psyche majors out there.

Go for it. Super awesome!

But some people are going to value the hard stuff - from engineering to philosophy.

Of course, if that's not your space that's cool. Not everyone is going to self-actualize with the difficult things

Untrue. Plenty of very smart people in other fields. The kids that do it all. Not one-dimensional. They are as good at math and science, but can still write well. They have interests in literature and history too.

I’m a STEM major before there was the term STEM so I’m not all that impressed by kids that can’t make eye contact.

The smartest kid in our school, valedictorian, is not studying STEM, but he was too of his class in math/science too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Duke sure made a run at the top

They sure did. And it's a little mystifying,

Within the South, both Vanderbilt and Rice are often regarded as better schools. And then nationally, add Brown, Northwestern, Chicago, Johns Hopkins, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Columbia. And why stop there. Add Williams, Swarthmore, West Point, and Annapolis.

The Duke run is very peculiar.

Basketball I guess. And I suspect Cooper Flagg will be the number one pick this year, so it shall continue.

Good for them. They know the game, and they play it well. Kudos to Duke,

What south are you from? When has Duke not been ranked the best southern school, and it's the Harvard of the south

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Duke sure made a run at the top

They sure did. And it's a little mystifying,

Within the South, both Vanderbilt and Rice are often regarded as better schools. And then nationally, add Brown, Northwestern, Chicago, Johns Hopkins, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Columbia. And why stop there. Add Williams, Swarthmore, West Point, and Annapolis.

The Duke run is very peculiar.

Basketball I guess. And I suspect Cooper Flagg will be the number one pick this year, so it shall continue.

Good for them. They know the game, and they play it well. Kudos to Duke,

This is utterly delusional. West point? Annapolis? Clear agenda here. Duke is equivalent to Upenn in prestige. Slightly below Columbia and above Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

[Anonymous]

Any list in which Harvard is top 10 is a joke. It's not even top 20 anymore. Way too much grade inflation. Lowering of admission standards. Disruptive learning environment. Trash school.

[Anonymous]

To the UCal-Berkeley supporter: If "exciting environment" were a rating factor, then UCB would almost certainly be among the top few schools each year. Unfortunately, the resources at UCB are far superior for graduate students than for undergraduate students, and the undergraduate resources pale in comparison to the top 15 private universities.

[Anonymous]

Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.