3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

I had a double major, both B.S. degrees.

I have a Master's, as well as 60+ credit hours of additional classes in education, child psychology, developmental disabilities, and human anatomy and physiology.

Should I be paid more because I have two science-based degrees? I think not. I am no more valuable than any other person who does my same job.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

This isn't a rare exception. Many teachers work 60 hours/week.

You are correct, though, that this schedule leaves little time for anything else. Welcome to the life of a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I also don’t believe any of this. Sorry!! What teacher is talking to parents at dismissal? Dismissal is done to the bus, to kiss and ride and for walkers. Parents are not going to the classroom on a routine basis.

Similarly, I also don’t believe you get that many emails DAILY that need replying to.

We don't have any buses at my school except for a handful of special ed students. Everyone is a walker. We see parents at dismissal nearly every day unless an older sibling picks them up.

I counted the Dojo messages I got one day last week and there were 16 of them. Most days I got between 10-18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I also don’t believe any of this. Sorry!! What teacher is talking to parents at dismissal? Dismissal is done to the bus, to kiss and ride and for walkers. Parents are not going to the classroom on a routine basis.

Similarly, I also don’t believe you get that many emails DAILY that need replying to.

We don't have any buses at my school except for a handful of special ed students. Everyone is a walker. We see parents at dismissal nearly every day unless an older sibling picks them up.

I counted the Dojo messages I got one day last week and there were 16 of them. Most days I got between 10-18.

I have 150 students and, therefore, 150+ parents.

I can receive 25-30 emails a day from parents and students. That doesn’t include administrative emails I need to reply to.

(I’m still confused why people who don’t teach feel content telling us what our jobs are like.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

You are arrogant...I'm assuming you think you are always right and love to hear yourself talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How can you become a teacher these days? No one wants to pay for college to be a teacher but I think there are people interested. They should incentivize going into the field.

Are you suggesting opening up teaching to people without college degrees?

I teach college-level classes at the high school level.

DP but I think k-6 teaching programs can be possible with a 4 year degree. Education degrees aren’t even all education classes.

I meant without a 4 year degree.

Meaning cut out the extra classes and make it a 2 year program.

Right. You don't want your babysitters to know too much.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the reality. It doesn’t matter how many hours people think teachers work or don’t work. We’re all different on that front, once you get beyond mandated contract hours. It doesn’t matter how many hours you think we work in the summer. Some of us have three jobs cobbled together, while some of us take the time to decompress. And it doesn’t matter whether you think 60k, 80k, or whatever is a reasonable salary, or that 3% is a reasonable raise. The fact is that there is a teacher shortage. As a teacher, I can tell you that you can’t attract the best and brightest to this field anymore. Many of those who can leave are leaving, especially the ones who have advanced degrees or transferable skills, which is essentially all of the “good” ones. People who have other sources of income (ie high-earning partners) also are fleeing the field, or at least fleeing public teaching positions. And so the question becomes, do you want to attract the best and brightest to teach our children? And if you do, what do we as a society need to do to make that happen? It’s not whatever it is we’re doing right now, regardless of anyone’s opinion about our salary or the hours we work. I am leaving for a private school. If things aren’t better, I will leave the field. It was a second career for me, and so I have that option.

This. I cannot believe any parent would not be concerned with this shortage. Do you care if your kid does not have a teacher next year??

Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Just because you are inflammatory doesn’t mean you’re not replaceable. Yawn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Just because you are inflammatory doesn’t mean you’re not replaceable. Yawn.

LOL. Someone doesn't know the difference between "flammable" and "inflammatory." Should have studied harder in school...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Just because you are inflammatory doesn’t mean you’re not replaceable. Yawn.

The fact that teachers aren't being replaced means they aren't replaceable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Just because you are inflammatory doesn’t mean you’re not replaceable. Yawn.

LOL. Someone doesn't know the difference between "flammable" and "inflammatory." Should have studied harder in school...

It was a play on words. You really do have no business in a classroom, you moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that could happen to encourage more young people to go into teaching is paying for their degree in full at a state school if they can make it through 2 years of teaching.

To the poster who doesn't believe teachers work 60 hours a week:
7 a.m. -arrive at school, prep items, copy things, respond to emails, work on data
8 a.m. -kids arrive
11:00 a.m. -eat lunch while calling a parent and responding to emails, prep items for after lunch, set up a science demo, meet with a colleague about a student, maybe use the restroom and run to the recess door to pick kids up on time, create a chart for the kid who keeps eating the trash out of the trash can
11:50 a.m.- teach
1:00 p.m. -It's supposed to be prep time, but you have meetings 2/3 days you have prep
1:50 p.m. -pick kids up
2:30 p.m. -dismiss kids, talk with parents at pick up, clean up the room, meet with the social worker about another kid, check emails, attend meetings, planning, grading, create a new center, etc, etc, etc.
4:30 p.m. -drive home, pick up kids, make dinner, go to gym, etc
7:00 p.m. -more emails, analyze student writing samples, plan both whole group and small group writing instruction (or math or reading or whatever). Begin writing a grant, or look for a cool 2 minute video to illustrate a science concept or run to target to buy supplies for a project or look for ways to engage a learner who has adhd, etc, etc.
9:00 p.m. Watch TV, go to bed

All that is M-Th. Fridays, I go out for drinks or am exhausted and go to sleep.

Saturdays, I often go into school for 2 hours because there's no one else there making copies and I get a lot of organizational stuff done. Sunday afternoons I'll put in a few hours on some of my whole group planning.

When my kids were little, I remember bringing them to a roller skating party. While they skated, I sat and cut out laminating. I graded papers at sports practices. I once wanted to bring stuff to cut out to a water park (indoors, winter) and my husband put his foot down and said absolutely not.

I used to LOVE teaching. Truly. I left public education this year and will never go back. Not because of the hours. I'm kind of a workaholic and if I love what I'm doing, it's super satisfying to see students thrive because of it. But I was in a situation where I was truly not safe, and I had to leave. I'll be in a fancy private school this fall and anticipate working just as hard.

You realise even if you work every minute of lunch, every minute of 2:30-4:30, and all of the 7-9pm window… that still isn’t a 12 hour day, right?

You aren’t making the point you think you are. I don’t doubt you have worked an 11 hour day, but there is no way you are averaging anywhere close to 11 hours per day, let alone 12.

When I see a time sheet with 12 hours recorded on it I am going to need to know what the person was crashing on, and if you are averaging 12 per day over a year you need to be going over 12 every time you go under.

I’m the 60-hour PP you don’t believe.

I regularly assign essays and papers. I’m responsible for teaching writing. One stack of essays can take 30 sustained hours to grade. I don’t get time at school to do that, so if happens on my own time. I try to get them back in 2 weeks, with comments.

120 papers x 15 minutes each = 30 hours

I also have smaller assignments I need to grade each week, so maybe another 5 hours there. Planning takes an additional 5-8 a week. Responding to emails, updating reports? 1-2 hours. Teaching in front of a class? 30-33 hours a week.

I work 12-14 hours every weekend in addition to 1-4 hours every M-F night. It’s Memorial Day and I’m waking up before my family to grade so I can see them later today, hopefully for dinner.

It’s so astoundingly arrogant of you to claim I’m lying. You’ve seen teachers out and about? Somehow that’s proof they don’t work?

I have three coworkers who quit this year from my department because they can’t keep the hours. I’m going to quit, too.

Here’s how you can help: don’t assume you know the life of a teacher. Why don’t you shed some of that ignorance (and arrogance) by signing up to sub. It would be a good eye-opener for you, and we could use the help.

It isn’t arrogant to say I don’t believe you, I simply don’t. As I said before I have actually worked those types of hours and know they leave no time or energy for anything else.

If you work 60 hour weeks even occasionally you are a rare exception.

Cool story. You win! Teachers are totally exaggerating how much they work and you, you genius, exposed them for the liars they are. Crisis solved! Someone who isn't a teacher has assured us that all of our problems are just exaggerations!

Teachers are still quitting. There's still a teacher shortage.

DP. If you want to know why teachers aren’t respected like they once were, you should go back and read your own posts.

Trying to put out a fire by blaming the wood for being flammable. It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Just because you are inflammatory doesn’t mean you’re not replaceable. Yawn.

LOL. Someone doesn't know the difference between "flammable" and "inflammatory." Should have studied harder in school...

It was a play on words. You really do have no business in a classroom, you moron.

Teachers on this thread (and I suspect there are multiple):
I know it’s in our nature to want to shed light on the ignorant. Let’s put our focus on our students, however, and leave this poster alone at this point. We deserve better.