3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

For both of these, it requires tons of paperwork and documentation. However, if a teacher is really, really poor, it should be done.

It can be.

A pp said they aren’t fired because of union protection. There’s little union protection in FCPS.

But, the teacher contract sets the rules. And, the union represents them in a lawsuit if they are a member. The union represents the sorry teachers, too--as long as they pay union (or "association" ) dues. That is their carrot to get teachers to join.

The teacher contract is about one page long and there is no collective bargaining. There isn’t very much to it. The union has nothing to do with the contract.

Who is suing who?

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

DP here. I saw one teacher fired during my career. It was not in FCPS. She was sent to my school from another school on "probation." Nice gal. Very tense and had absolutely no classroom control. The principal tried to help (at least that is what he said.) He said she would not accept the help. That year was a disaster for the students in her class. But, ultimately, she was fired.

I don't doubt your story but admin does little to help teachers in fops

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

DP here. I saw one teacher fired during my career. It was not in FCPS. She was sent to my school from another school on "probation." Nice gal. Very tense and had absolutely no classroom control. The principal tried to help (at least that is what he said.) He said she would not accept the help. That year was a disaster for the students in her class. But, ultimately, she was fired.

I don't doubt your story but admin does little to help teachers in fops

Did you notice that I said that the principal SAID he tried to help? I'm not so sure he really did. I think she was sent to our school for the express purpose of having this principal fire her.

In this instance, I don't know what anyone could have done to help. This girl quivered when you spoke to her. She did not belong in the classroom. She had taught at least four years before this in at least two different schools. Perhaps, she was better at the beginning.

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How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

It is public information. Depends on years of experience and degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

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Why give you a huge raise? You have the largest number of rich kids who just get tutors (less skill required) and you only apply to NoVA when the better jurisdictions don't hire you. Middling raises seem right for this area.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

I'm a single parent teacher and my kids were eligible for free preschool and reduced priced lunches when they were in ES.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

It's on the website:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/medi...-teacher-195-day.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Why give you a huge raise? You have the largest number of rich kids who just get tutors (less skill required) and you only apply to NoVA when the better jurisdictions don't hire you. Middling raises seem right for this area.

??

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

+1. A starting teacher with a BS makes under $55k. With a Master’s it’s about $60k. I’m 5 years in with a Master’s and make about $70k. I like my job but I’m very glad my husband is a high earner because I don’t make nearly enough to live on around here.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

+1. A starting teacher with a BS makes under $55k. With a Master’s it’s about $60k. I’m 5 years in with a Master’s and make about $70k. I like my job but I’m very glad my husband is a high earner because I don’t make nearly enough to live on around here.

You think a person can’t live on $70k a year? DH and I both teach with others who are at about the same step as you and they are doing ok without housemates.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

+1. A starting teacher with a BS makes under $55k. With a Master’s it’s about $60k. I’m 5 years in with a Master’s and make about $70k. I like my job but I’m very glad my husband is a high earner because I don’t make nearly enough to live on around here.

You think a person can’t live on $70k a year? DH and I both teach with others who are at about the same step as you and they are doing ok without housemates.

So, "okay" is good?

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

+1. A starting teacher with a BS makes under $55k. With a Master’s it’s about $60k. I’m 5 years in with a Master’s and make about $70k. I like my job but I’m very glad my husband is a high earner because I don’t make nearly enough to live on around here.

You think a person can’t live on $70k a year? DH and I both teach with others who are at about the same step as you and they are doing ok without housemates.

So, "okay" is good?

Yes. OK=Good. They have their apartment, car, go out with others and socialize.

They definitely don’t fall under “…don’t make nearly enough to live”.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do teachers make? Are they considered belonging to UMC households?

Maybe if they’re married.

+1. A starting teacher with a BS makes under $55k. With a Master’s it’s about $60k. I’m 5 years in with a Master’s and make about $70k. I like my job but I’m very glad my husband is a high earner because I don’t make nearly enough to live on around here.

You think a person can’t live on $70k a year? DH and I both teach with others who are at about the same step as you and they are doing ok without housemates.

So, "okay" is good?

Yes. OK=Good. They have their apartment, car, go out with others and socialize.

They definitely don’t fall under “…don’t make nearly enough to live”.

So if you go back to the original question, they would NOT be UMC.