3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!

[Anonymous]

I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With all the vacation days and summer breaks they have i would expect them to get paid less then employees at a company.

Teaching should really be seen as a non-traditional career instead of being directly compared to 40-hr white collar office jobs.

The teaching lifestyle is more akin to an oil & gas offshore rig kind of job. It's undesirable, relatively difficult to deal with the inherent issues of the job, has an abnormal schedule, and doesn't necessarily need education beyond a Bachelor's degree and arguably an Associate's degree. However, it deserves more pay to attract good candidates due to the nature of the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

FCPS doesn’t have a union yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

FCPS doesn’t have a union yet.

Thats my point. The pp who mentioned “Union protection” is just regurgitating some talking point.

[Anonymous]

Teachers' unions only look out for the union leaders: not the teachers, not the students, and not the parents. And, oh, yes, they also look out for the politicians.

I say that as a former member.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

DP here. I saw one teacher fired during my career. It was not in FCPS. She was sent to my school from another school on "probation." Nice gal. Very tense and had absolutely no classroom control. The principal tried to help (at least that is what he said.) He said she would not accept the help. That year was a disaster for the students in her class. But, ultimately, she was fired.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

For both of these, it requires tons of paperwork and documentation. However, if a teacher is really, really poor, it should be done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

For both of these, it requires tons of paperwork and documentation. However, if a teacher is really, really poor, it should be done.

p.s. and most good teachers think that it should be done for sorry teachers. It reflects poorly on all teachers when there is a poor teacher on staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

For both of these, it requires tons of paperwork and documentation. However, if a teacher is really, really poor, it should be done.

It can be.

A pp said they aren’t fired because of union protection. There’s little union protection in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a nonprofit make 300K/year and I do not manage anyone. The CEO makes 2.9M plus 1M bonus. I wouldn’t mind that teacher getting paid 200K/yr but I want them to be held accountable. In other words, they can be fired if they don’t perform, no more Union protection. If I have to pay more in taxes, so be it.

They can be fired. How much “protection” do you think “unions” offer in a district like FCPS?

I have been working in FCPS for 20+ years and I have seen a lot of bad teachers, myself included. Not a single one of them has been fired for performance reasons.

Is that because you were protected by your union (which doesn’t even have a collective bargaining agreement)? Or was it some other reason such as admin didn’t want or didn’t have time to document and go through the process?

Regardless of reasons, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for performance issues, just like it is almost impossible to fire a federal employee for performance issues.

For both of these, it requires tons of paperwork and documentation. However, if a teacher is really, really poor, it should be done.

It can be.

A pp said they aren’t fired because of union protection. There’s little union protection in FCPS.

But, the teacher contract sets the rules. And, the union represents them in a lawsuit if they are a member. The union represents the sorry teachers, too--as long as they pay union (or "association" ) dues. That is their carrot to get teachers to join.

[Anonymous]

They are worth 0%. Those asswipes.