Elon vs U of Richmond

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Anonymous wrote:Richmond is a legitimately good school with an enormous endowment that has allowed it to catch up (almost) in prestige to southern LAC peers W&L and Davidson.

Agree with the sense that the campus was a little antiseptic but it was also really nice.

The comment was skewered earlier but the young ladies who attend are indeed shockingly pretty. Maybe it attracts a “type.”

Elon is a Richmond wannabe that basically any half decent student can attend full pay. Not comparable.

This is all accurate. Some mom who is upset that they simply cannot keep pretending that Elon is a strong school keeps coming back to trash Richmond. The two schools are in completely different realms. The only students who don't get into Elon are the ones who are obviously using it as a safety.

Neither school is particularly desirable and nobody knows or cares that one is supposedly better than the other. Regional overpriced private schools. I’ve not been particularly impressed with Richmond grads and don’t know anybody particularly smart who chose that school. Typically it’s a 3rd or 4th choice because they were rejected from the schools they really wanted to go to.

Do kids really have University of Richmond as their first choice?

Certainly since they get a ton of kids ED like any other school.

But it’s a bit of a dumb argument. Everyone realizes there is a pecking order when it comes to college - given the option, most people would choose the most reputable schools like HYPSM. But then kids need to make realistic choices and within bands focus on particular schools that appeal to them. Within the UR band, which is basically second tier SLAC, there are plenty of kids who are drawn to the school - and it has a lot to offer with its beautiful campus and massive endowment. Some very strong students (I can think of one) end up there because they didnt make Ivy - that’s ok too.

No Ivy League reject is going to Elon. U of R rejects go to Elon.

Mostly agree with sentiment as a parent of an Ivy, UVA, and Elon. Some may prefer vibe of Elon over U of R, but it is undoubtedly more selective. That being said, U of R wouldn’t be on many Ivy kids backup list. That would be Emory, WashU, Vandy, a high level SLAC or a public Ivy. U of R has a specific appeal many like or dislike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richmond is a legitimately good school with an enormous endowment that has allowed it to catch up (almost) in prestige to southern LAC peers W&L and Davidson.

Agree with the sense that the campus was a little antiseptic but it was also really nice.

The comment was skewered earlier but the young ladies who attend are indeed shockingly pretty. Maybe it attracts a “type.”

Elon is a Richmond wannabe that basically any half decent student can attend full pay. Not comparable.

This is all accurate. Some mom who is upset that they simply cannot keep pretending that Elon is a strong school keeps coming back to trash Richmond. The two schools are in completely different realms. The only students who don't get into Elon are the ones who are obviously using it as a safety.

Neither school is particularly desirable and nobody knows or cares that one is supposedly better than the other. Regional overpriced private schools. I’ve not been particularly impressed with Richmond grads and don’t know anybody particularly smart who chose that school. Typically it’s a 3rd or 4th choice because they were rejected from the schools they really wanted to go to.

Do kids really have University of Richmond as their first choice?

Certainly since they get a ton of kids ED like any other school.

But it’s a bit of a dumb argument. Everyone realizes there is a pecking order when it comes to college - given the option, most people would choose the most reputable schools like HYPSM. But then kids need to make realistic choices and within bands focus on particular schools that appeal to them. Within the UR band, which is basically second tier SLAC, there are plenty of kids who are drawn to the school - and it has a lot to offer with its beautiful campus and massive endowment. Some very strong students (I can think of one) end up there because they didnt make Ivy - that’s ok too.

No Ivy League reject is going to Elon. U of R rejects go to Elon.

Mostly agree with sentiment as a parent of an Ivy, UVA, and Elon. Some may prefer vibe of Elon over U of R, but it is undoubtedly more selective. That being said, U of R wouldn’t be on many Ivy kids backup list. That would be Emory, WashU, Vandy, a high level SLAC or a public Ivy. U of R has a specific appeal many like or dislike.

But this just speaks to the idea of bands. Within the bands, it’s a matter of taste.

The first band is T15 national u/T5 SLAC.
The second band is T16-30national/T6-20 SLAC
The third tier is T30-60national/T20-40 SLAC

Few kids choose U of R over Emory but it’s not that easy to get into Emory. Only slightly easier vs Ivy. I would say UR is low Tier 2 or high tier 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richmond is a legitimately good school with an enormous endowment that has allowed it to catch up (almost) in prestige to southern LAC peers W&L and Davidson.

Agree with the sense that the campus was a little antiseptic but it was also really nice.

The comment was skewered earlier but the young ladies who attend are indeed shockingly pretty. Maybe it attracts a “type.”

Elon is a Richmond wannabe that basically any half decent student can attend full pay. Not comparable.

This is all accurate. Some mom who is upset that they simply cannot keep pretending that Elon is a strong school keeps coming back to trash Richmond. The two schools are in completely different realms. The only students who don't get into Elon are the ones who are obviously using it as a safety.

Neither school is particularly desirable and nobody knows or cares that one is supposedly better than the other. Regional overpriced private schools. I’ve not been particularly impressed with Richmond grads and don’t know anybody particularly smart who chose that school. Typically it’s a 3rd or 4th choice because they were rejected from the schools they really wanted to go to.

Do kids really have University of Richmond as their first choice?

Certainly since they get a ton of kids ED like any other school.

But it’s a bit of a dumb argument. Everyone realizes there is a pecking order when it comes to college - given the option, most people would choose the most reputable schools like HYPSM. But then kids need to make realistic choices and within bands focus on particular schools that appeal to them. Within the UR band, which is basically second tier SLAC, there are plenty of kids who are drawn to the school - and it has a lot to offer with its beautiful campus and massive endowment. Some very strong students (I can think of one) end up there because they didnt make Ivy - that’s ok too.

No Ivy League reject is going to Elon. U of R rejects go to Elon.

Mostly agree with sentiment as a parent of an Ivy, UVA, and Elon. Some may prefer vibe of Elon over U of R, but it is undoubtedly more selective. That being said, U of R wouldn’t be on many Ivy kids backup list. That would be Emory, WashU, Vandy, a high level SLAC or a public Ivy. U of R has a specific appeal many like or dislike.

But this just speaks to the idea of bands. Within the bands, it’s a matter of taste.

The first band is T15 national u/T5 SLAC.
The second band is T16-30national/T6-20 SLAC
The third tier is T30-60national/T20-40 SLAC

Few kids choose U of R over Emory but it’s not that easy to get into Emory. Only slightly easier vs Ivy. I would say UR is low Tier 2 or high tier 3.

What are the T5 LACs? I know t4, but there’s 3 colleges who could easily fit that last spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richmond is a legitimately good school with an enormous endowment that has allowed it to catch up (almost) in prestige to southern LAC peers W&L and Davidson.

Agree with the sense that the campus was a little antiseptic but it was also really nice.

The comment was skewered earlier but the young ladies who attend are indeed shockingly pretty. Maybe it attracts a “type.”

Elon is a Richmond wannabe that basically any half decent student can attend full pay. Not comparable.

This is all accurate. Some mom who is upset that they simply cannot keep pretending that Elon is a strong school keeps coming back to trash Richmond. The two schools are in completely different realms. The only students who don't get into Elon are the ones who are obviously using it as a safety.

Neither school is particularly desirable and nobody knows or cares that one is supposedly better than the other. Regional overpriced private schools. I’ve not been particularly impressed with Richmond grads and don’t know anybody particularly smart who chose that school. Typically it’s a 3rd or 4th choice because they were rejected from the schools they really wanted to go to.

Do kids really have University of Richmond as their first choice?

Certainly since they get a ton of kids ED like any other school.

But it’s a bit of a dumb argument. Everyone realizes there is a pecking order when it comes to college - given the option, most people would choose the most reputable schools like HYPSM. But then kids need to make realistic choices and within bands focus on particular schools that appeal to them. Within the UR band, which is basically second tier SLAC, there are plenty of kids who are drawn to the school - and it has a lot to offer with its beautiful campus and massive endowment. Some very strong students (I can think of one) end up there because they didnt make Ivy - that’s ok too.

No Ivy League reject is going to Elon. U of R rejects go to Elon.

Mostly agree with sentiment as a parent of an Ivy, UVA, and Elon. Some may prefer vibe of Elon over U of R, but it is undoubtedly more selective. That being said, U of R wouldn’t be on many Ivy kids backup list. That would be Emory, WashU, Vandy, a high level SLAC or a public Ivy. U of R has a specific appeal many like or dislike.

But this just speaks to the idea of bands. Within the bands, it’s a matter of taste.

The first band is T15 national u/T5 SLAC.
The second band is T16-30national/T6-20 SLAC
The third tier is T30-60national/T20-40 SLAC

Few kids choose U of R over Emory but it’s not that easy to get into Emory. Only slightly easier vs Ivy. I would say UR is low Tier 2 or high tier 3.

What are the T5 LACs? I know t4, but there’s 3 colleges who could easily fit that last spot.

Using round numbers here. We can quibble over whether Bowdoin is superior to Pomona or if either could be seen as Ivy peer. The main idea is that some Ivy level students opt for Amherst over Cornell

[Anonymous]

Really - is Richmond truly THAT MUCH better than Elon? Seems like both are good but not great schools with nice weather where kids have fun and can get decent jobs or get into decedent grad schools if they have good grades. Agree? Disagree?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really - is Richmond truly THAT MUCH better than Elon? Seems like both are good but not great schools with nice weather where kids have fun and can get decent jobs or get into decedent grad schools if they have good grades. Agree? Disagree?

Disagree. Just look at the test score ranges on the most recent CDS's from both schools. The 25th percentile at Richmond is higher than the 75th percentile at Elon. You're right that kids from both schools (and from schools like Roanoke and Lynchburg, for that matter) can end up in decent jobs and decent grad schools. But it's also a fact that Richmond is a much better school and brings in a much more accomplished student body. Two things can be true at once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really - is Richmond truly THAT MUCH better than Elon? Seems like both are good but not great schools with nice weather where kids have fun and can get decent jobs or get into decedent grad schools if they have good grades. Agree? Disagree?

Disagree. Just look at the test score ranges on the most recent CDS's from both schools. The 25th percentile at Richmond is higher than the 75th percentile at Elon. You're right that kids from both schools (and from schools like Roanoke and Lynchburg, for that matter) can end up in decent jobs and decent grad schools. But it's also a fact that Richmond is a much better school and brings in a much more accomplished student body. Two things can be true at once.

Higher stat kids doesn’t make Richmond a “much better school”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really - is Richmond truly THAT MUCH better than Elon? Seems like both are good but not great schools with nice weather where kids have fun and can get decent jobs or get into decedent grad schools if they have good grades. Agree? Disagree?

Disagree. Just look at the test score ranges on the most recent CDS's from both schools. The 25th percentile at Richmond is higher than the 75th percentile at Elon. You're right that kids from both schools (and from schools like Roanoke and Lynchburg, for that matter) can end up in decent jobs and decent grad schools. But it's also a fact that Richmond is a much better school and brings in a much more accomplished student body. Two things can be true at once.

Higher stat kids doesn’t make Richmond a “much better school”

What about higher graduation rates, higher starting salaries, a lower student/faculty ratio, and a substantially higher per-student endowment? I could go on. It's a better school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really - is Richmond truly THAT MUCH better than Elon? Seems like both are good but not great schools with nice weather where kids have fun and can get decent jobs or get into decedent grad schools if they have good grades. Agree? Disagree?

Disagree. Just look at the test score ranges on the most recent CDS's from both schools. The 25th percentile at Richmond is higher than the 75th percentile at Elon. You're right that kids from both schools (and from schools like Roanoke and Lynchburg, for that matter) can end up in decent jobs and decent grad schools. But it's also a fact that Richmond is a much better school and brings in a much more accomplished student body. Two things can be true at once.

Higher stat kids doesn’t make Richmond a “much better school”

What about higher graduation rates, higher starting salaries, a lower student/faculty ratio, and a substantially higher per-student endowment? I could go on. It's a better school.

Cite?

[Anonymous]

Really never been impressed with Richmond. Seems way overrated. Spoiled rich kids. Third tier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really never been impressed with Richmond. Seems way overrated. Spoiled rich kids. Third tier.

Thanks for your observation, and for reviving a weeks-dead troll thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really never been impressed with Richmond. Seems way overrated. Spoiled rich kids. Third tier.

U Richmond is the one school I don’t get. Never been that good. Seems likes all hype. Excellent marketing, though. The marketers put the lipstick on the pig.

[Anonymous]

I don't get the Richmond love either.

[Anonymous]

I too hate [school under discussion] because of [nonspecific reasons].

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I too hate [school under discussion] because of [nonspecific reasons].

Ha! Richmond sucks because the academics are mediocre, students and alumni are not impressive, zero rep outside DC and it’s has always been a third or fourth tier schools. Just buying what they are selling.