Anyone else notice that “white ethnics” are more maga than DAR/mayflower/wasp types?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is this the new way to further divide people? "Oh Im white, but you know, Mayflower white, not shouty second generation Irish or French white."

Somehow there was never any inter ethnic strife in the USA after prior mass waves of German, Irish, Italian, and eastern European immigration. Nope, this whole division is a brand new thing.

I believe a few movies have been made about these exact issues. Not new at all. In fact, relatively recent. Frank Sinatra faced these issues for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Black (not so fresh off the boat) and I find this thread hilarious and terrifying. This is identity politics on steroids! So white liberals are now "othering" their own kind? Aren't all whites ethnic or does one have to be a certain type of white in order to avoid being an ethnic white?

You may be missing the point here. The more recent "white immigrants" faced their own discrimination for many decades, whether religious based (Catholic) or nationality (Irish, Italians). One might argue that they tend to be less sympathetic to racism faced by African Americans or Hispanic Americans. Several Justices fit this mold perfectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WASPs can’t get too excited about much of anything. But the racist streak within WASP culture embraces the GOP.

Most WASPS I know are Democrats or former Republicans. Almost none are MAGA types.

[Anonymous]

My large, eastern-European family is all blue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is this the new way to further divide people? "Oh Im white, but you know, Mayflower white, not shouty second generation Irish or French white."

Somehow there was never any inter ethnic strife in the USA after prior mass waves of German, Irish, Italian, and eastern European immigration. Nope, this whole division is a brand new thing.

I believe a few movies have been made about these exact issues. Not new at all. In fact, relatively recent. Frank Sinatra faced these issues for decades.

My grandparents didn't consider Italians white, and avoided all interactions with any recent immigrants including the Irish and Germans.

When I married a guy with Italian heritage, my grandmother didn't speak to me for a year, and this was in the 1990s!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is this the new way to further divide people? "Oh Im white, but you know, Mayflower white, not shouty second generation Irish or French white."

Somehow there was never any inter ethnic strife in the USA after prior mass waves of German, Irish, Italian, and eastern European immigration. Nope, this whole division is a brand new thing.

I believe a few movies have been made about these exact issues. Not new at all. In fact, relatively recent. Frank Sinatra faced these issues for decades.

My grandparents didn't consider Italians white, and avoided all interactions with any recent immigrants including the Irish and Germans.

When I married a guy with Italian heritage, my grandmother didn't speak to me for a year, and this was in the 1990s!

What simply is lacking here is knowledge of basic American history, including immigration. The idea that all immigrants in the early 20C or 19C were legal is silly on its face. Latter of course does not mean we can ignore the flood of illegals at the border.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most privileged tend to enjoy luxury beliefs so they tend to lean left hardest.

Keeping Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA are luxury beliefs????

More like abolishing the police, defunding ICE, trans women are women, and dismantling the nuclear family.

This. If the democrats were running on closing the border and funding Medicare for all, while leaving Title IX alone, they’d have a much easier time in November.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most privileged tend to enjoy luxury beliefs so they tend to lean left hardest.

Keeping Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA are luxury beliefs????

More like abolishing the police, defunding ICE, trans women are women, and dismantling the nuclear family.

Bingo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My large, eastern-European family is all blue.

Gentile or Jew?

There is a HUGE difference in Ashkenazi Americans with ancestors who temporarily were in Eastern Europe vs Slavic Americans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because the groups you mentioned tend to be LMC and are sick of being called “privileged” and “trashy.”

This is the answer. It’s a class thing.

+1

[Anonymous]

For whatever reason trailer park whites in Alabama aren't considered WASPs. The term is mainly used in the Northeast where European ethnic identities are stronger and where WASPs do mostly fit the higher class socioeconomic profile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My large, eastern-European family is all blue.

Gentile or Jew?

There is a HUGE difference in Ashkenazi Americans with ancestors who temporarily were in Eastern Europe vs Slavic Americans

DP but what’s the difference? I know both and they both trend Republican

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My large, eastern-European family is all blue.

Gentile or Jew?

There is a HUGE difference in Ashkenazi Americans with ancestors who temporarily were in Eastern Europe vs Slavic Americans

DP but what’s the difference? I know both and they both trend Republican

While that is your anecdata, actual data shows the former as pretty staunchly Democratic while the latter is very maga

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is this the new way to further divide people? "Oh Im white, but you know, Mayflower white, not shouty second generation Irish or French white."

Somehow there was never any inter ethnic strife in the USA after prior mass waves of German, Irish, Italian, and eastern European immigration. Nope, this whole division is a brand new thing.

I believe a few movies have been made about these exact issues. Not new at all. In fact, relatively recent. Frank Sinatra faced these issues for decades.

My grandparents didn't consider Italians white, and avoided all interactions with any recent immigrants including the Irish and Germans.

When I married a guy with Italian heritage, my grandmother didn't speak to me for a year, and this was in the 1990s!

Racist at the core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My large, eastern-European family is all blue.

Gentile or Jew?

There is a HUGE difference in Ashkenazi Americans with ancestors who temporarily were in Eastern Europe vs Slavic Americans

Temporarily in Europe?