Hurricane Ian's effect on Florida voting

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Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

I actually agree with that mayor - if you're not going to evacuate, then be prepared to die. Period. However, let's just imagine for a minute, the complete outrage from the left had DeSantis said that. Here is what he *did* say:

Sept. 28 (UPI) -- Gov. Ron DeSantis warned Florida residents Tuesday night the "time to evacuate is coming to an end," as Hurricane Ian closes in on the southwest coast of the state.

"If you are in an evacuation zone, particularly southwest Florida counties, your time to evacuate is coming to an end," the governor said. "You need to evacuate now or you're going to start feeling major impacts of this storm relatively soon."

"You need to get to higher ground. You need to get to structures that are safe," he said.

"There will be catastrophic flooding and life-threatening storm surge on the gulf coast region," DeSantis added. "Of course, the highest risk will be in that southwest Florida region."
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/09/28/florida-governor-Ron-DeSantis-warns-hurricane-ian-evacuation-ending/9941664339087/

“Mother Nature is a very fearsome adversary so please heed the warnings,” he said. “You don’t need to evacuate to another state. You don’t need to go hundreds of miles away. There are shelters that are open at all of these counties at this point. “If you’re under an evacuation order, evacuate to higher ground,” he said. “That is going to be safe from the type of surge and flooding that we’re hearing with this storm.”

DeSantis made the comparison to Hurricane Charley in 2004, the last major storm to directly hit Florida’s southern Gulf Coast. That storm created huge wind damage, but the governor said that if the track remains where it is today, the region should expect more flood than wind damage from Hurricane Ian. “Make sure you’re executing your plans,” DeSantis said. “This is imminent.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article266409886.html

[Anonymous]

Here's DeSantis telling everyone what they need to know. "You need to evacuate NOW." He could not have been any clearer.

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Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

I actually agree with that mayor - if you're not going to evacuate, then be prepared to die. Period. However, let's just imagine for a minute, the complete outrage from the left had DeSantis said that. Here is what he *did* say:

Sept. 28 (UPI) -- Gov. Ron DeSantis warned Florida residents Tuesday night the "time to evacuate is coming to an end," as Hurricane Ian closes in on the southwest coast of the state.

"If you are in an evacuation zone, particularly southwest Florida counties, your time to evacuate is coming to an end," the governor said. "You need to evacuate now or you're going to start feeling major impacts of this storm relatively soon."

"You need to get to higher ground. You need to get to structures that are safe," he said.

"There will be catastrophic flooding and life-threatening storm surge on the gulf coast region," DeSantis added. "Of course, the highest risk will be in that southwest Florida region."
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/09/28/florida-governor-Ron-DeSantis-warns-hurricane-ian-evacuation-ending/9941664339087/

“Mother Nature is a very fearsome adversary so please heed the warnings,” he said. “You don’t need to evacuate to another state. You don’t need to go hundreds of miles away. There are shelters that are open at all of these counties at this point. “If you’re under an evacuation order, evacuate to higher ground,” he said. “That is going to be safe from the type of surge and flooding that we’re hearing with this storm.”

DeSantis made the comparison to Hurricane Charley in 2004, the last major storm to directly hit Florida’s southern Gulf Coast. That storm created huge wind damage, but the governor said that if the track remains where it is today, the region should expect more flood than wind damage from Hurricane Ian. “Make sure you’re executing your plans,” DeSantis said. “This is imminent.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article266409886.html

The problem was comparing it to Hurricane Charley, which made a lot people feel safe staying because they did fine staying through Charley. Ian was so much bigger than Charley that Charley could fit inside Ian's eye. Poor communication.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's DeSantis telling everyone what they need to know. "You need to evacuate NOW." He could not have been any clearer.

What’s the death count? This is much worst vs Benghazi or the Afghanistan withdraw. DeSantis must be held to account.

[Anonymous]

Lot of talk about Spanish speaking citizens being too scared to go to shelters for fear of being abducted by the state. The bottom line is no one trust the government that is controlled by DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

DeSantis spent $$$ to bus and fly migrants to another state as a political stunt, but FL youth were left to drown in a hurricane that was predicted to hit SW FL for a week. horrific but unsurprising. Priorities.
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[Anonymous]

It’s like DeSantis got up on stage, made some partisan statements with LE surrounding him and all the republicans went googly eyed. You actually have to lead and manage what is going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DeSantis spent $$$ to bus and fly migrants to another state as a political stunt, but FL youth were left to drown in a hurricane that was predicted to hit SW FL for a week. horrific but unsurprising. Priorities.

From the party of family values.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis spent $$$ to bus and fly migrants to another state as a political stunt, but FL youth were left to drown in a hurricane that was predicted to hit SW FL for a week. horrific but unsurprising. Priorities.

From the party of family values.

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Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

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Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

I'm a Floridian living in Georgia now. I have family in Ft Myers, Tampa, and Jacksonville. They all knew what was coming and steps to take. Not sure what kind of people only heard about the approaching Category 4 hurricane with 140+ winds with one day's notice?/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

I'm a Floridian living in Georgia now. I have family in Ft Myers, Tampa, and Jacksonville. They all knew what was coming and steps to take. Not sure what kind of people only heard about the approaching Category 4 hurricane with 140+ winds with one day's notice?/

The posters here are, for the most part, incredibly partisan and will find anything they can to criticize DeSantis.
Many have probably never even been to Florida or know nothing about the state and the people who live there.
Don't listen to them. They seem to believe if they slam him enough, Charlie Crist may just win the race for governor. They are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

I'm a Floridian living in Georgia now. I have family in Ft Myers, Tampa, and Jacksonville. They all knew what was coming and steps to take. Not sure what kind of people only heard about the approaching Category 4 hurricane with 140+ winds with one day's notice?/

The posters here are, for the most part, incredibly partisan and will find anything they can to criticize DeSantis.
Many have probably never even been to Florida or know nothing about the state and the people who live there.
Don't listen to them. They seem to believe if they slam him enough, Charlie Crist may just win the race for governor. They are delusional.

You're wrong. Go on the Fort Myers beach life page and see what they think about him. My BFF lives there and hates him. so do her neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It could take a month for people in Ft Myers to get power back

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lee-county-expects-power-220710391.html

Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

I'm a Floridian living in Georgia now. I have family in Ft Myers, Tampa, and Jacksonville. They all knew what was coming and steps to take. Not sure what kind of people only heard about the approaching Category 4 hurricane with 140+ winds with one day's notice?/

The posters here are, for the most part, incredibly partisan and will find anything they can to criticize DeSantis.
Many have probably never even been to Florida or know nothing about the state and the people who live there.
Don't listen to them. They seem to believe if they slam him enough, Charlie Crist may just win the race for governor. They are delusional.

You are the partisan. DeSantis failure of leadership and management cause the deaths if over a 100 people. It’s time you stop with your worship of DeSantis and open your eyes. You MAGA people now attack the victims of this storm and DeSantis’s incompetency. This is nothing new for DeSantis.

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Still no good answers about why local and state officials delayed issuing an evacuation order

Maybe this will help you with those answers.......

No, it doesn't. BTW get better sources. Xtina got her taxpayer funded job because she was good at being an online troll. She's never been there to actually provide information to the public.

If it doesn't help you then I can only assume you are not capable of reading......

"Mon, 2pm Lee County was still only under a Tropical Storm Watch. At 5:29pm Lee County went from TS Watch to TS Warning. NWS focus was still Tampa area. It wasn’t until 5:29am Tue that Lee went from TS Warning to Hurricane Warning."

They were in the cone of uncertainty for a couple of days before the storm actually hit. Their actual storm preparedness manual said to evacuate people days before, they just didn't follow it.

The path of the hurricane, even when it was predicted to landfall closer to Tampa, always put Fort Myers, Sanibel and the rest of Lee County, under a Storm Surge Watch/Warning. There was always going to be a dangerous storm surge, and someone dropped the ball in communicating to people what that meant. DeSantis, by saying stuff like "it's people's choice if they want to stay" didn't help. No sense of urgency was communicated to these people.

Also, DeSantis and his GOP friends constant denigration of experts and scientific opinion doesn't help in these situations. The NHC did a great job predicting the path and strength of Ian - Florida officials didn't do all they could have to get people out.

That is just not true. The had a storm surge watch up until Monday evening when it was upgraded to a storm surge warning.
Sorry to disappoint you that storms - including hurricanes - are unpredictable. This is not an exact science.
And, please cite when he denigrated the NHC.

The watch to warning switch is just when it got closer and the threat is in the next 24 hours. The PP is 100% correct. Even if it went to Tampa, hurricane-force winds would have been pushing water into Fort Myers, Sanibel, Captiva, Cape Coral. They would have got at least what Naples got.

And all intelligent adult Floridians knew it and took appropriate action to leave. Do your friends and family members need to specifically be told to leave when 140+ winds are heading to the coast?

Exactly. I live nowhere near Florida and knew a week before Ian hit how serious it would be. As did the entire nation. DeSantis and his team absolutely did all they could to get people out, including instituting mandatory evacuations - which some chose not to follow. Not sure why anyone else is being blamed for their poor decisions.

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandatory."

This is how to communicate the seriousness of a hurricane and its surge, and enforce a mandatory evacuation

https://thehill.com/homenews/348030-texas-mayor-tells-those-not-evacuating-to-write-names-social-security-numbers-on/

A Texas mayor is reportedly advising his residents who are not evacuating before Hurricane Harvey sweeps the state’s coastline to write identifying information on their bodies.

Rockport Mayor Pro Tempore Patrick Rios said Friday, ahead of the massive hurricane’s expected landfall, that residents should either evacuate or make sure their remains can be identified.

“We’re suggesting if people are going to stay here, mark their arm with a Sharpie pen with their name and Social Security number,” Rios said at a morning press conference, as reported by ABC News.

+1 this is how you communicate urgency - not little Ronnie D's "people can leave if they want to or not, whatever, freedom"

Also you have to do it with more than one day's notice. I don't think most people here understand the geography of Florida - how long it takes to get out of the areas that were hardest hit, especially once the highway has become a parking lot due to everyone trying to leave at once, and with gas almost impossible to get. So you can only get so far as your one tank gets you. That's what happens when you don't have enough notice - and that's why people stay.

I'm a Floridian living in Georgia now. I have family in Ft Myers, Tampa, and Jacksonville. They all knew what was coming and steps to take. Not sure what kind of people only heard about the approaching Category 4 hurricane with 140+ winds with one day's notice?/

The posters here are, for the most part, incredibly partisan and will find anything they can to criticize DeSantis.
Many have probably never even been to Florida or know nothing about the state and the people who live there.
Don't listen to them. They seem to believe if they slam him enough, Charlie Crist may just win the race for governor. They are delusional.

I am the PP DeSantis critic and I LIVE in Florida, idiot.