DH Can’t Stand Having Two Kids… 2 Years Later

[Anonymous]

OP, look into joining a babysitting co-op for date nights and buy more childcare. Would your home set up work with an au pair?

You likely need to switch jobs for more money and less hours. It may still not save this marriage but you need to set yourself up as best you can.

And btw

“He doesn’t yell or swear, it’s just like all these sighs and comments and facial expressions, this misery that disappears when he’s not with kids, but returns whenever he’s with them for more than 10 min.”

The kids already know on some level. They are very intuitive about emotions esp re: caregivers.

And don't be surprised if, in a crisis, if you develop cancer or anything else that would require adult behavior and not this passive aggressive harmful bs, he is NOT someone of good character that you can count on.

[Anonymous]

^ messed up quoting

Your kids have already picked up on this on some level, children are very intuitive about emotions, caregivers and attachment.

If you develop cancer, MS, Parkinsons, have an accident or one of the kids develops significant SN, don't be surprised if he bails. His passive aggressive immaturity, lack of care about how his actions impact others and self absorption do not suggest he'd be a person of good character who would step up. What is that saying about past being prologue?

And choosing him and allowing this to color the self image of tiny new people is also on you, OP. While you are so focused on your low pay "dream job" your kids are being harmed by your unhealthy family dynamics, you and your husband both avoid, in diffrent ways.

There is no talk of shared activities, joy, fun, any specifics of love and enjoyment of those kids. Better you both max out earnings and hire a warm nanny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BTDT. Do not inflict this man on DC #2. My daughter has always felt, deep in her bones, that there is something wrong with her relationship with her father. Which translates to her feeling there is something not quite good enough about HER.

Count your blessings and stick with one.

+1

I’m the daughter in this situation and I’ve had low self esteem all my life. I’ve had anorexia since 14.

It really messes with a girl to know that her father doesn’t really love her.

Oh please.

You cannot blame your dad for your anorexia.

In therapy I worked out that I developed anorexia as a way to punish myself because I hate myself. Reply hate myself because my father showed me that I was unwanted/annoying/a burden.

Im in therapy for something else but my therapist wanted to get to the root of my self loathing and she says it’s always something foundational in childhood.

I am sick of blaming parents for all your ills. I was a planned child but my mother died when I was four and my father was in the military. I lived with my aunt, mother's sister, for a year. At age 5 he put me in a boarding school and I spent two years there without seeing him because he was overseas. After that, I saw him as Christmas and spent two months in summer at my aunt's. I turned out fine--no eating disorders, I don't hate my father because he did the best he could.

We make our own decisions as adults and we live with the consequences.

You should definitely be in therapy to understand empathy. The bolded is COMPLETELY different from the PP you are responding to.

Buzz off! I am a grown woman and I am responsible for my life and choices. Blaming everyone else in your life for your bad choices or choices and actions of your parents is counterproductive.

You soundike you don’t know much about eating disorders tbh. EDs are addictions. They’re often lifelong. You can go through periods of being “in remission” so to speak but then it comes back in times of stress. Much like substance addictions.

It’s totally plausible to me that a girl feeling resented and unwanted can by her father could cause one then it becomes an addictive, maladaptive behavior that is very difficult to get rid of.

No. I do not believe in eating disorders. My nephew, supposedly, had an eating disorder and only ate three things--pizza, spaghetti, and PB&J sandwiches on white bread. He wanted to visit my family and I told him that he would eat what I served or go hungry. He ate seconds of just about everything. He finally admitted that he only had his "eating disorder" with his mother. I also don't believe in blaming everyone else in your life for your problems.

I also have zero tolerance for alcoholics and drug addicts. Choices have consequences.

You are a bad person. Really and truly. Shall I pass on your opinions on eating disorders to my child hood best friend who was hospitalized for most of our junior year and came out still painfully thin and needing multiple hours of outpatient therapy? If you have no clue what you are talking about you should keep your mouth shut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow, this blew up. DH and I read the responses together.

A few clarifications

(1) His parents are dead and mine struggle to handle a toddler due to bad health / physical shape. Maybe in a couple of years.
(2) I did not bully him into having the 2nd kid, it seemed like a reasonable compromise to us both at the time. We were too cerebral and mathematical in thinking about it, clearly.
(3) Both kids love him, there are lots of hugs and kisses and jumping all over him when he walks thru the door. However, we agree that soon enough they will pick up on the resentment so we can't keep going on like this.
(4) What about solo time on weekends? What about evenings?

Here, we get to what DH and I realized is the crux of the issue. We are just too overloaded.

Before, I used to freelance part-time and had more time and energy. I was the primary parent, and there was plenty of couple time in the evenings. Recently, I got a dream job which has turned out to be nearly full-time. It is nonprofit and it is exactly what I always dreamed of doing since I was a kid. I can't tell you how much I love it after a decade of putting his career first.

But there is no money. So, it means that I have to work more but we can't afford more childcare and household help. I don't have time during the day for errands, cooking, etc. I am also picking up the slack by working in the evenings (our childcare is part-time). And, my DH has had to take on household and parenting 50/50. And he hates that.

We try to teach the kids to be more polite but we are both too exhausted to parent as well as we should. I mean, the older one can entertain herself for hours and regularly does that - reading or going outside to play with neighbors. But the toddler is 2. So there's no getting around the neediness there.

Maybe we should have somehow predicted that this would happen, but we were the first of our friends to get married, much less have kids, and young women are doused in this go-getter "you can have it all" nonsense since middle school. So, we honestly thought we could both have careers we loved and kids and the help we needed.

Well toddlers are annoying and some people at the end of the day just don't want to be grabbed out and loud sounds are just miserable.
That being said, there isn't too much of a fix until the get older.
But don't make the mistake of thinking you can't use an ipad or tv to entertain them. I know a lot of parents get really hung up on that and just do yourselves a favor and don't. Your kid's brain won't rot.

I am sure your non profit job is really cool but if you keep it you will be broke. And tbh a job you always dreamed of? meh, once you are underpaid at it for a while you wont' be as thrilled with it. I know it sounds blase but get a new dream. When you decided that was your dream job years back you were a different person. Now you are a wife with 2 kids. You aren't giving up something . You are moving on.
It's normal but you are viewing it as this major life loss. Our kids are in high school now. I laugh at how silly we clung tot stuff like that in the early years.

Start low key entertaining your toddler. Ask them to go find something that is - insert thing here - and bring it to you. Then ask them again. and again. Something like hey can you bring me a teddy bear. Ok they bring you one. Ohhh wait I don't know about this teddy bear. Can you bring me another one? It keeps them occupied and it literally takes no brain power so you can do something else at the same time.

I agree with all of this.

It seems kind of odd that you and your husband are both so invested in framing this as resentment about the existence of your child when it really seems that a big part of it is resentment over your new job. You took a job that requires a lot more work with no additional income. I mean, basically, you picked up a stressful and time consuming hobby.

Why are you two both saying that it’s the kid and not the job? Is there a lot of guilt over saying that it’s the job?

OP. No, we just didn't connect the dots at first. But it's really both. I took this job AND my DH is unhappy being the primary parent. I was hoping he could step up for a few years and cover for me, which is a big ask and turns out he can't. I don't think he realized he couldn't either, until he tried it. He was always an involved and loving dad when we had 1 and I was primary parent.

We know something has got to give. I can get another job easily and learn to like it. But it's complicated because I have a team and hundreds of vulnerable students relying on me. If I leave, the entire organization will shut down, team will lose jobs in a difficult market (they are not in the US), and a lot of people will suffer. I don't mean they'll die or anything, but it would be a betrayal. I don't want to give more details because I feel like I've provided too much personal info already and anyone who knows me will recognize me from this post.

I had no idea it would be so much work and grow so fast. When I started with it, it was just a part-time, freelance project. It's taken off and grown into this monster of a thing that I can't handle on my own, but all the responsibility has been shifted onto me, initial founders exited, and there is no other "adult in the room" who can take it on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow, this blew up. DH and I read the responses together.

A few clarifications

(1) His parents are dead and mine struggle to handle a toddler due to bad health / physical shape. Maybe in a couple of years.
(2) I did not bully him into having the 2nd kid, it seemed like a reasonable compromise to us both at the time. We were too cerebral and mathematical in thinking about it, clearly.
(3) Both kids love him, there are lots of hugs and kisses and jumping all over him when he walks thru the door. However, we agree that soon enough they will pick up on the resentment so we can't keep going on like this.
(4) What about solo time on weekends? What about evenings?

Here, we get to what DH and I realized is the crux of the issue. We are just too overloaded.

Before, I used to freelance part-time and had more time and energy. I was the primary parent, and there was plenty of couple time in the evenings. Recently, I got a dream job which has turned out to be nearly full-time. It is nonprofit and it is exactly what I always dreamed of doing since I was a kid. I can't tell you how much I love it after a decade of putting his career first.

But there is no money. So, it means that I have to work more but we can't afford more childcare and household help. I don't have time during the day for errands, cooking, etc. I am also picking up the slack by working in the evenings (our childcare is part-time). And, my DH has had to take on household and parenting 50/50. And he hates that.

We try to teach the kids to be more polite but we are both too exhausted to parent as well as we should. I mean, the older one can entertain herself for hours and regularly does that - reading or going outside to play with neighbors. But the toddler is 2. So there's no getting around the neediness there.

Maybe we should have somehow predicted that this would happen, but we were the first of our friends to get married, much less have kids, and young women are doused in this go-getter "you can have it all" nonsense since middle school. So, we honestly thought we could both have careers we loved and kids and the help we needed.

Well toddlers are annoying and some people at the end of the day just don't want to be grabbed out and loud sounds are just miserable.
That being said, there isn't too much of a fix until the get older.
But don't make the mistake of thinking you can't use an ipad or tv to entertain them. I know a lot of parents get really hung up on that and just do yourselves a favor and don't. Your kid's brain won't rot.

I am sure your non profit job is really cool but if you keep it you will be broke. And tbh a job you always dreamed of? meh, once you are underpaid at it for a while you wont' be as thrilled with it. I know it sounds blase but get a new dream. When you decided that was your dream job years back you were a different person. Now you are a wife with 2 kids. You aren't giving up something . You are moving on.
It's normal but you are viewing it as this major life loss. Our kids are in high school now. I laugh at how silly we clung tot stuff like that in the early years.

Start low key entertaining your toddler. Ask them to go find something that is - insert thing here - and bring it to you. Then ask them again. and again. Something like hey can you bring me a teddy bear. Ok they bring you one. Ohhh wait I don't know about this teddy bear. Can you bring me another one? It keeps them occupied and it literally takes no brain power so you can do something else at the same time.

I agree with all of this.

It seems kind of odd that you and your husband are both so invested in framing this as resentment about the existence of your child when it really seems that a big part of it is resentment over your new job. You took a job that requires a lot more work with no additional income. I mean, basically, you picked up a stressful and time consuming hobby.

Why are you two both saying that it’s the kid and not the job? Is there a lot of guilt over saying that it’s the job?

OP. No, we just didn't connect the dots at first. But it's really both. I took this job AND my DH is unhappy being the primary parent. I was hoping he could step up for a few years and cover for me, which is a big ask and turns out he can't. I don't think he realized he couldn't either, until he tried it. He was always an involved and loving dad when we had 1 and I was primary parent.

We know something has got to give. I can get another job easily and learn to like it. But it's complicated because I have a team and hundreds of vulnerable students relying on me. If I leave, the entire organization will shut down, team will lose jobs in a difficult market (they are not in the US), and a lot of people will suffer. I don't mean they'll die or anything, but it would be a betrayal. I don't want to give more details because I feel like I've provided too much personal info already and anyone who knows me will recognize me from this post.

I had no idea it would be so much work and grow so fast. When I started with it, it was just a part-time, freelance project. It's taken off and grown into this monster of a thing that I can't handle on my own, but all the responsibility has been shifted onto me, initial founders exited, and there is no other "adult in the room" who can take it on.

You can train a successor to take over. Do you have a subordinate who is really talented? Otherwise, look outside your company. There is a lot of talent out there.

It's not worth staying in a job that doesn't work for your family. And that means compensation, too. I used to be in a "save the world" kind of career track and I'm now in a high-paying, chill-hours job with no "save the world" mission but it is fulfilling and works for our family in every way. Worth it 100%.

[Anonymous]

^ to add to the above, you can also hire more staff and delegate. Is there a foundation or donor that might infuse capital so you can hire more people?

I am sure you are talented, OP, but no one -- no one -- is truly indispensable and it's that delusion that fuels poor work/life balance for many people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had 3 over a ten year span. I’ve been doing the little kid thing for too long. Secondary infertility and then IVF.

It has made me see the wisdom of the married at 22, three kids in 5 years, then start a career later plan. Corporate professional jobs ask too much of us and intensive parenting is impossible. Something has got to give. I’d prefer that not be “women back to the kitchen” plan favored by the right wing, but here we are.

We see you right wing troll. And for most women getting married at 22 and kids soon after torpedoes your career and ability to be financial successful later, unless you have family money. I’m sure stupid “brunch granny” will come on here and claim she had kids at 23 and is doing amazing but it’s obvious she and her kids are failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow, this blew up. DH and I read the responses together.

A few clarifications

(1) His parents are dead and mine struggle to handle a toddler due to bad health / physical shape. Maybe in a couple of years.
(2) I did not bully him into having the 2nd kid, it seemed like a reasonable compromise to us both at the time. We were too cerebral and mathematical in thinking about it, clearly.
(3) Both kids love him, there are lots of hugs and kisses and jumping all over him when he walks thru the door. However, we agree that soon enough they will pick up on the resentment so we can't keep going on like this.
(4) What about solo time on weekends? What about evenings?

Here, we get to what DH and I realized is the crux of the issue. We are just too overloaded.

Before, I used to freelance part-time and had more time and energy. I was the primary parent, and there was plenty of couple time in the evenings. Recently, I got a dream job which has turned out to be nearly full-time. It is nonprofit and it is exactly what I always dreamed of doing since I was a kid. I can't tell you how much I love it after a decade of putting his career first.

But there is no money. So, it means that I have to work more but we can't afford more childcare and household help. I don't have time during the day for errands, cooking, etc. I am also picking up the slack by working in the evenings (our childcare is part-time). And, my DH has had to take on household and parenting 50/50. And he hates that.

We try to teach the kids to be more polite but we are both too exhausted to parent as well as we should. I mean, the older one can entertain herself for hours and regularly does that - reading or going outside to play with neighbors. But the toddler is 2. So there's no getting around the neediness there.

Maybe we should have somehow predicted that this would happen, but we were the first of our friends to get married, much less have kids, and young women are doused in this go-getter "you can have it all" nonsense since middle school. So, we honestly thought we could both have careers we loved and kids and the help we needed.

Well toddlers are annoying and some people at the end of the day just don't want to be grabbed out and loud sounds are just miserable.
That being said, there isn't too much of a fix until the get older.
But don't make the mistake of thinking you can't use an ipad or tv to entertain them. I know a lot of parents get really hung up on that and just do yourselves a favor and don't. Your kid's brain won't rot.

I am sure your non profit job is really cool but if you keep it you will be broke. And tbh a job you always dreamed of? meh, once you are underpaid at it for a while you wont' be as thrilled with it. I know it sounds blase but get a new dream. When you decided that was your dream job years back you were a different person. Now you are a wife with 2 kids. You aren't giving up something . You are moving on.
It's normal but you are viewing it as this major life loss. Our kids are in high school now. I laugh at how silly we clung tot stuff like that in the early years.

Start low key entertaining your toddler. Ask them to go find something that is - insert thing here - and bring it to you. Then ask them again. and again. Something like hey can you bring me a teddy bear. Ok they bring you one. Ohhh wait I don't know about this teddy bear. Can you bring me another one? It keeps them occupied and it literally takes no brain power so you can do something else at the same time.

I agree with all of this.

It seems kind of odd that you and your husband are both so invested in framing this as resentment about the existence of your child when it really seems that a big part of it is resentment over your new job. You took a job that requires a lot more work with no additional income. I mean, basically, you picked up a stressful and time consuming hobby.

Why are you two both saying that it’s the kid and not the job? Is there a lot of guilt over saying that it’s the job?

OP. No, we just didn't connect the dots at first. But it's really both. I took this job AND my DH is unhappy being the primary parent. I was hoping he could step up for a few years and cover for me, which is a big ask and turns out he can't. I don't think he realized he couldn't either, until he tried it. He was always an involved and loving dad when we had 1 and I was primary parent.

We know something has got to give. I can get another job easily and learn to like it. But it's complicated because I have a team and hundreds of vulnerable students relying on me. If I leave, the entire organization will shut down, team will lose jobs in a difficult market (they are not in the US), and a lot of people will suffer. I don't mean they'll die or anything, but it would be a betrayal. I don't want to give more details because I feel like I've provided too much personal info already and anyone who knows me will recognize me from this post.

I had no idea it would be so much work and grow so fast. When I started with it, it was just a part-time, freelance project. It's taken off and grown into this monster of a thing that I can't handle on my own, but all the responsibility has been shifted onto me, initial founders exited, and there is no other "adult in the room" who can take it on.

This is crazy talk. No wonder you have problems at home. Your job is NOt that important. You clearly think it is, but it is not. You need a reality check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow, this blew up. DH and I read the responses together.

A few clarifications

(1) His parents are dead and mine struggle to handle a toddler due to bad health / physical shape. Maybe in a couple of years.
(2) I did not bully him into having the 2nd kid, it seemed like a reasonable compromise to us both at the time. We were too cerebral and mathematical in thinking about it, clearly.
(3) Both kids love him, there are lots of hugs and kisses and jumping all over him when he walks thru the door. However, we agree that soon enough they will pick up on the resentment so we can't keep going on like this.
(4) What about solo time on weekends? What about evenings?

Here, we get to what DH and I realized is the crux of the issue. We are just too overloaded.

Before, I used to freelance part-time and had more time and energy. I was the primary parent, and there was plenty of couple time in the evenings. Recently, I got a dream job which has turned out to be nearly full-time. It is nonprofit and it is exactly what I always dreamed of doing since I was a kid. I can't tell you how much I love it after a decade of putting his career first.

But there is no money. So, it means that I have to work more but we can't afford more childcare and household help. I don't have time during the day for errands, cooking, etc. I am also picking up the slack by working in the evenings (our childcare is part-time). And, my DH has had to take on household and parenting 50/50. And he hates that.

We try to teach the kids to be more polite but we are both too exhausted to parent as well as we should. I mean, the older one can entertain herself for hours and regularly does that - reading or going outside to play with neighbors. But the toddler is 2. So there's no getting around the neediness there.

Maybe we should have somehow predicted that this would happen, but we were the first of our friends to get married, much less have kids, and young women are doused in this go-getter "you can have it all" nonsense since middle school. So, we honestly thought we could both have careers we loved and kids and the help we needed.

Well toddlers are annoying and some people at the end of the day just don't want to be grabbed out and loud sounds are just miserable.
That being said, there isn't too much of a fix until the get older.
But don't make the mistake of thinking you can't use an ipad or tv to entertain them. I know a lot of parents get really hung up on that and just do yourselves a favor and don't. Your kid's brain won't rot.

I am sure your non profit job is really cool but if you keep it you will be broke. And tbh a job you always dreamed of? meh, once you are underpaid at it for a while you wont' be as thrilled with it. I know it sounds blase but get a new dream. When you decided that was your dream job years back you were a different person. Now you are a wife with 2 kids. You aren't giving up something . You are moving on.
It's normal but you are viewing it as this major life loss. Our kids are in high school now. I laugh at how silly we clung tot stuff like that in the early years.

Start low key entertaining your toddler. Ask them to go find something that is - insert thing here - and bring it to you. Then ask them again. and again. Something like hey can you bring me a teddy bear. Ok they bring you one. Ohhh wait I don't know about this teddy bear. Can you bring me another one? It keeps them occupied and it literally takes no brain power so you can do something else at the same time.

I agree with all of this.

It seems kind of odd that you and your husband are both so invested in framing this as resentment about the existence of your child when it really seems that a big part of it is resentment over your new job. You took a job that requires a lot more work with no additional income. I mean, basically, you picked up a stressful and time consuming hobby.

Why are you two both saying that it’s the kid and not the job? Is there a lot of guilt over saying that it’s the job?

OP. No, we just didn't connect the dots at first. But it's really both. I took this job AND my DH is unhappy being the primary parent. I was hoping he could step up for a few years and cover for me, which is a big ask and turns out he can't. I don't think he realized he couldn't either, until he tried it. He was always an involved and loving dad when we had 1 and I was primary parent.

We know something has got to give. I can get another job easily and learn to like it. But it's complicated because I have a team and hundreds of vulnerable students relying on me. If I leave, the entire organization will shut down, team will lose jobs in a difficult market (they are not in the US), and a lot of people will suffer. I don't mean they'll die or anything, but it would be a betrayal. I don't want to give more details because I feel like I've provided too much personal info already and anyone who knows me will recognize me from this post.

I had no idea it would be so much work and grow so fast. When I started with it, it was just a part-time, freelance project. It's taken off and grown into this monster of a thing that I can't handle on my own, but all the responsibility has been shifted onto me, initial founders exited, and there is no other "adult in the room" who can take it on.

This is crazy talk. No wonder you have problems at home. Your job is NOt that important. You clearly think it is, but it is not. You need a reality check.

+1. OP seems flat out insane. She’s apparently so vital to her company and the well-being of hundreds of ppl but gets paid so little she can’t afford even part time childcare. She’s like Milton from Office Space.

[Anonymous]

I’d lose all respect for him and therefore, any attraction for him. Marriage would be over after five years if this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had 3 over a ten year span. I’ve been doing the little kid thing for too long. Secondary infertility and then IVF.

It has made me see the wisdom of the married at 22, three kids in 5 years, then start a career later plan. Corporate professional jobs ask too much of us and intensive parenting is impossible. Something has got to give. I’d prefer that not be “women back to the kitchen” plan favored by the right wing, but here we are.

We see you right wing troll. And for most women getting married at 22 and kids soon after torpedoes your career and ability to be financial successful later, unless you have family money. I’m sure stupid “brunch granny” will come on here and claim she had kids at 23 and is doing amazing but it’s obvious she and her kids are failures.

Oh good grief. I believe in paying moms to stay home and I’m a moderate lefty. Just saying that if I could go back in time, I might do things differently. I’m a working mom btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow, this blew up. DH and I read the responses together.

A few clarifications

(1) His parents are dead and mine struggle to handle a toddler due to bad health / physical shape. Maybe in a couple of years.
(2) I did not bully him into having the 2nd kid, it seemed like a reasonable compromise to us both at the time. We were too cerebral and mathematical in thinking about it, clearly.
(3) Both kids love him, there are lots of hugs and kisses and jumping all over him when he walks thru the door. However, we agree that soon enough they will pick up on the resentment so we can't keep going on like this.
(4) What about solo time on weekends? What about evenings?

Here, we get to what DH and I realized is the crux of the issue. We are just too overloaded.

Before, I used to freelance part-time and had more time and energy. I was the primary parent, and there was plenty of couple time in the evenings. Recently, I got a dream job which has turned out to be nearly full-time. It is nonprofit and it is exactly what I always dreamed of doing since I was a kid. I can't tell you how much I love it after a decade of putting his career first.

But there is no money. So, it means that I have to work more but we can't afford more childcare and household help. I don't have time during the day for errands, cooking, etc. I am also picking up the slack by working in the evenings (our childcare is part-time). And, my DH has had to take on household and parenting 50/50. And he hates that.

We try to teach the kids to be more polite but we are both too exhausted to parent as well as we should. I mean, the older one can entertain herself for hours and regularly does that - reading or going outside to play with neighbors. But the toddler is 2. So there's no getting around the neediness there.

Maybe we should have somehow predicted that this would happen, but we were the first of our friends to get married, much less have kids, and young women are doused in this go-getter "you can have it all" nonsense since middle school. So, we honestly thought we could both have careers we loved and kids and the help we needed.

Well toddlers are annoying and some people at the end of the day just don't want to be grabbed out and loud sounds are just miserable.
That being said, there isn't too much of a fix until the get older.
But don't make the mistake of thinking you can't use an ipad or tv to entertain them. I know a lot of parents get really hung up on that and just do yourselves a favor and don't. Your kid's brain won't rot.

I am sure your non profit job is really cool but if you keep it you will be broke. And tbh a job you always dreamed of? meh, once you are underpaid at it for a while you wont' be as thrilled with it. I know it sounds blase but get a new dream. When you decided that was your dream job years back you were a different person. Now you are a wife with 2 kids. You aren't giving up something . You are moving on.
It's normal but you are viewing it as this major life loss. Our kids are in high school now. I laugh at how silly we clung tot stuff like that in the early years.

Start low key entertaining your toddler. Ask them to go find something that is - insert thing here - and bring it to you. Then ask them again. and again. Something like hey can you bring me a teddy bear. Ok they bring you one. Ohhh wait I don't know about this teddy bear. Can you bring me another one? It keeps them occupied and it literally takes no brain power so you can do something else at the same time.

I agree with all of this.

It seems kind of odd that you and your husband are both so invested in framing this as resentment about the existence of your child when it really seems that a big part of it is resentment over your new job. You took a job that requires a lot more work with no additional income. I mean, basically, you picked up a stressful and time consuming hobby.

Why are you two both saying that it’s the kid and not the job? Is there a lot of guilt over saying that it’s the job?

OP. No, we just didn't connect the dots at first. But it's really both. I took this job AND my DH is unhappy being the primary parent. I was hoping he could step up for a few years and cover for me, which is a big ask and turns out he can't. I don't think he realized he couldn't either, until he tried it. He was always an involved and loving dad when we had 1 and I was primary parent.

We know something has got to give. I can get another job easily and learn to like it. But it's complicated because I have a team and hundreds of vulnerable students relying on me. If I leave, the entire organization will shut down, team will lose jobs in a difficult market (they are not in the US), and a lot of people will suffer. I don't mean they'll die or anything, but it would be a betrayal. I don't want to give more details because I feel like I've provided too much personal info already and anyone who knows me will recognize me from this post.

I had no idea it would be so much work and grow so fast. When I started with it, it was just a part-time, freelance project. It's taken off and grown into this monster of a thing that I can't handle on my own, but all the responsibility has been shifted onto me, initial founders exited, and there is no other "adult in the room" who can take it on.

This is crazy talk. No wonder you have problems at home. Your job is NOt that important. You clearly think it is, but it is not. You need a reality check.

+1. OP seems flat out insane. She’s apparently so vital to her company and the well-being of hundreds of ppl but gets paid so little she can’t afford even part time childcare. She’s like Milton from Office Space.

Yes, well put. OP - no job is this important. All jobs are replaceable. Somehow the founders of the company thought they could leave, but you -- a measly admin making probably $40k a year - think that you're more indispensable than they were and can't leave?

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I'm sorry Op, this is hard and I empathize as my husband compromised with two and it's definitely hard on him (still in the early years too with a 1 and 4 year old). I see him get exasperated sometimes too though it doesn't sound to the same level. And I disagree with others that you should have to give up a job you love because your husband can't suck it up for a few years (even though I do truly empathize and understand why it's hard). I guess I don't have any good advice because this is a tough one - either way there is resentment, if you have to leave your job there will be resentment on your end.

I guess I have one idea: is it possible really sitting down and writing down EVERYTHING you both do and then figuring out where there needs to be shifts and making some new systems could help? We've really had some shifts lately in things feeling better for my husband because of some new systems we put in place - new system for how we do the laundry, new system for bedtime, etc. We sat down and did this when I could see my husband starting to look worn down and now thinking about it I think things really have been better. My husband does seem to agree now with the "worth it in the end" thought that gets most of us through though so that is also helping.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry Op, this is hard and I empathize as my husband compromised with two and it's definitely hard on him (still in the early years too with a 1 and 4 year old). I see him get exasperated sometimes too though it doesn't sound to the same level. And I disagree with others that you should have to give up a job you love because your husband can't suck it up for a few years (even though I do truly empathize and understand why it's hard). I guess I don't have any good advice because this is a tough one - either way there is resentment, if you have to leave your job there will be resentment on your end.

I guess I have one idea: is it possible really sitting down and writing down EVERYTHING you both do and then figuring out where there needs to be shifts and making some new systems could help? We've really had some shifts lately in things feeling better for my husband because of some new systems we put in place - new system for how we do the laundry, new system for bedtime, etc. We sat down and did this when I could see my husband starting to look worn down and now thinking about it I think things really have been better. My husband does seem to agree now with the "worth it in the end" thought that gets most of us through though so that is also helping.

To clarify we made the list, everything that each of us is doing and then tried to also look at what on the list was throwing him over the edge and then try to think critically about how we could make small shifts to make it better. It's worth a try because like others have said, this sounds like it isn't just about second kid - it's also a LOT about how his responsibility level has shifted generally in parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a third, then he’ll long for the days of two.
Just kidding.
Most of the solution is time; it gets better.
The rest of the solution lies with your husband, does he see that his attitude is making things more difficult and what can he do to adjust the attitude.
Kid-free time is helpful. With two young kids we usually split the weekend so each person got a good 4-5 hours to do with as they pleased.

This. Give him 4-5 hours on his own say Saturday morning while you take the kids to the park and out to a cheap kid friendly lunch. Hopefully he can do the same another day. Maybe that will cheer him up. And if not, maybe he might want to talk to a therapist (they’re getting cheaper with the internet ones which many insurance companies do cover.)

This is a great idea. take to the library, park, restaurant etc... sometimes, being at home makes it worse.
Definitely give him this time and eventually he should do the same and give you some me time as well.