Does a blended family actually work?

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Anonymous wrote:By the way, the “Evil Stepmother“ is an historic archetype for a reason, she‘s existed in oral tradition even predating written history. Since women died so often in childbirth, widowers always remarried with their children and fathered more with new wives. If you ever venture into the sewage of Steptalk, you will witness how little has changed. The studies show that men admit to disliking their stepchildren at about a 50% rate and women hate them even MORE. A lot of this is because the childcare falls almost always on the stepmom. But you cannot ignore the preference you instinctively have for your children over another woman’s (who birthed them with your husband!). How people in the 21st century think they will escape the biological imperative imprinted in their DNA (and thousand year old fairy tales!) is baffling.


You are right in some respects. But there is a world of difference between a historic-era woman trying to raise a deceased woman's kids along with her own, often with highly limited resources, compared to today's scenarios where the biological mother (and father) are very much involved in day-to-day life.

The most vital element in any potential "blended" success story is the children's biological mother. Numerous studies which have shown that if the children's mother can show them she is accepting of the SM - not as an actual mother, per se - but as an important adult in the child's life, there is a potential for the family to succeed. Unfortunately, this rarely happens since most women are imprinted in their DNA to fear other women who form bonds with their kids. It is next to impossible to let another woman become a important to your children without jealousy eventually rearing its head, especially when that woman is now with your former husband.



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I think that actually proves pp's point even more. For the historic-era step mother, the previous wife/mom was dead, she was no longer any type of threat or competition. Modern day step mother, the ex wife/bio mom is still there, showing up at the house several times a week to exchange custody of the kids, right there in the same room at school plays and baseball games, etc.
Yes, historic era step mom had a lot of the work/responsibility of raising her husband's kids, but she also had a lot of authority and power as the sole "mother figure" in their life.
Today's step mom still has some of the work/responsibility, still has her time/schedule disrupted by the events/activities in her stepchild's life--yet really has NO authority or power.


Exactly. It does prove the point. Since the old stereotype continues to persist, the modern stepmother is often reviled and blamed for stepfamily issues by society at large despite her best efforts. Children learn to hate stepmothers at an early age even if they don't have one. Think Cinderella. If someone says "I hate my stepmother." they are immediately sympathized with. If a stepmother says, "The situation with my stepkids is very difficult." she is immediately told, "You knew what you were getting into. Suck it all up without complaint because the kids [no matter their ages, including adult kids] come first."


The Evil Stepmother archetype is so persistent (and ancient) because it describes a psychological behavior that is rooted in biology: every fairy tale features the new mother (Evil Stepmother) who is angered by the presence of a young child who competes for her husband‘s affections and resources. Steptalk refers to their stepdaughters as mini-wives (without even a hint of self-reflective irony!), these cunning little creatures whom Dad never says No to (which is also true, divorced dads often compensate for their guilt by being overly permissive). Cinderella even describes the conflict of bio kids - the stepmother wants her daughters to be wed to the prince and despises her stepdaughter for being more loved and beautiful than her own. Hansel and Gretel is about a stepmother who is asked to share the last of their food (resources) with her stepchildren and she gets angry at her husband for “choosing“ his children‘s lives over hers. And by the way, all of the fairy tale stories end with the Stepmother’s attempt to “kill“ the creature taking away her husband‘s love and resources so she and their biological children together will be a complete family.


Notice how the focus seems to be on the evil stepmother? Is that intent or an actual reflection of reality at that time? If you delve into fairy tales (particularly in the original languages) it becomes an interesting study.

The Brothers Grimm rewrote Snow White in 1819 to change the character from an evil MOTHER to an evil Stepmother.

By the fourth edition (1840) of Hansel and Gretel the evil character had transformed from the biological mother to stepmother:

"Originally it was just a mother in dire poverty ... threatened to be starving, [who] talks her husband into abandoning the children in the woods, and had to die off-stage before the children come home (probably to avoid the confrontation). Later editions and adaptions either turned her into an evil stepmother or made her regret bitterly what the couple had done to the kids."

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4nsel_und_Gretel

I suggest it is time to retire literature, particularly which influences young children, that continues to solidify stereotypes of step relationships. We do this with stories and books which are racist and otherwise bigoted, why not steps? Imagine the difference if children were read books which teach them that their family may change over time, and that is not a horrible, evil thing.




Okay, let‘s do that. Obviously we’ll get rid of Homer‘s Odyssey for the misogyny. Probably the Torah for rampant slavery and the whole sacrificing babies to Molech. Oh yeah, and of course we‘d need to ban Shakespeare altogether for the fratricide, that’s not conducive to positive family modeling.

Fairy tales are not pleasant little make-believe stories to entertain, they are mythical tales that our ancestors used to describe a real truth about humanity (which is why they so stubbornly persist for thousands of years). Had someone understood the stories as warnings, they might not end up on Steptalk thirty years later, lamenting the lazy husband they married whose children despise their new mother for taking their father away.


Some convoluted interpretation there.

No one is reading Homer or Shakespeare to their small children. The example is to illustrate that stereotyping stepmothers as evil[u] in children's books should be curtailed. Why is it acceptable for that trope about stepmothers to remain in children's books but we are horrified and root out all other negative stereotypes in books - based on race, ethnicity, etc.? Statistically most women have a likelihood they will become a stepmother some day so why not "describe [that] real truth about humanity?"

BTW, I wouldn't exactly call fairy tales by the Grimm Brothers as "mythical" since they were written in the 1800s. As were Hans Christian Anderson's.

I wonder what elicited such knee-jerk vitriol. Let me guess: you have a stepmother you hate.


No, never had a stepmother. And I read I’m reading the Odyssey to my kids. They also know Bible stories.

The Brothers Grimm didn’t write those fairy tales, they were compiled myths collected over generations in oral tradition. They are ancient, literally predating written history.

And if you want to curtail stereotypes in literature then my points stands, you will have to remove the entirety of dramas before the 21st century. I suppose a child could be educated by Peppa Pig and the more acceptable years of Harry Potter, though.
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My stepmother is a terrible person who hated me from the start, and I now hate her.

There's something about stepmothers' jealousy and competition with daughters, I think. She wasn't the same way with my brothers.
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.


+1 Simple. Straightforward.True.
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Anonymous wrote:My stepmother is a terrible person who hated me from the start, and I now hate her.

There's something about stepmothers' jealousy and competition with daughters, I think. She wasn't the same way with my brothers.


I'm dating a divorced dad of two teenage sons. I am TOTALLY a girls' girl - all my friends are girls, I am not a tomboy at all, hate sports, love little girls, etc. But I do suspect dating someone with sons is easier. I would LOVE to date a man with a daughter that I got along with well, but I think that seems so rare that I find the idea somewhat scary. My boyfriend's sons are so easy with me - they seem to react to my presence with a "Hi, whatever, I'm going to go play video games now." They seem neutral towards me (their dad claims that they told him they like me but who knows).

But I also wonder if the expectations are higher with girls. Like, if he had a teenage daughter who was just like, "hi" and not much more to me, my feelings would probably be more hurt. I think I would feel that I need to have a more in depth relationship with a girl and if I didnt it would worry me more. Whereas with the boys I am like, whatever, they are boys, they'd rather go play video games than talk to their dad's middle aged girlfriend, that's normal.
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.


+100. Also, yes being miserable together or single can be better for the kids, if the alternative is an even worse second marriage. Or one where the parent is somewhat happy but the person they chose is not actually good for them and is bankrupting them or exposing them to bad things like drug-addicted adult children. When my parents initially divorced I thought they might be better off, but now I see that I was naive. They are both unhappy, broker than they were before, and it's much harder for me to spend as much time with them because they live in different places and I am not willing to have my kids around the addicts. I wish I had my parents miserably together. It would be better than how they've ended up.
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Anonymous wrote:My stepmother is a terrible person who hated me from the start, and I now hate her.

There's something about stepmothers' jealousy and competition with daughters, I think. She wasn't the same way with my brothers.


I'm dating a divorced dad of two teenage sons. I am TOTALLY a girls' girl - all my friends are girls, I am not a tomboy at all, hate sports, love little girls, etc. But I do suspect dating someone with sons is easier. I would LOVE to date a man with a daughter that I got along with well, but I think that seems so rare that I find the idea somewhat scary. My boyfriend's sons are so easy with me - they seem to react to my presence with a "Hi, whatever, I'm going to go play video games now." They seem neutral towards me (their dad claims that they told him they like me but who knows).

But I also wonder if the expectations are higher with girls. Like, if he had a teenage daughter who was just like, "hi" and not much more to me, my feelings would probably be more hurt. I think I would feel that I need to have a more in depth relationship with a girl and if I didnt it would worry me more. Whereas with the boys I am like, whatever, they are boys, they'd rather go play video games than talk to their dad's middle aged girlfriend, that's normal.


Well, it could also mean the dad is not that into you anyway so this isn't a long-term thing. Or maybe he understands that teens are unlikely to care very much.
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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget, you will have to arrange all holiday schedules with the children's other families, forever. If you want the stepsiblings to have the slightest chance of feeling like family and being treated like family with each other's extended family relatives, that will require face time and travel. Hope you can afford it! And good luck forcing them through it. They may go along now but when they are teenagers they will be indifferent or outright resistant. You can't just wish everyone into a family. They all know perfectly well you can divorce again and they will never see each other again if that happens. It's fake.


This, truly. I think my divorcing parents honestly thought there'd be a bumpy year or two but then we'd settle into some imagined easy new normal, not really understanding that it'd be arranging and scheduling and splitting holidays forever ... like forever.


I am over 40 and my parents have been divorced for over 25 years. I live out of state now, but when I visit my mom still gets upset if she perceives that I am spending more time with my dad. Every holiday that I visit is exhausting splitting my time between them.
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.


To elaborate on this PP’s post, here are some ideas about what playing “happy family” looks like:

-expecting/insisting that the adult children and grandchildren in the blended family spend holidays together
-expecting me to be interested in and discuss my step siblings as if they are of equal interest to me as my bio siblings
-don’t pout if I want some pics of just me and my dad on my wedding day, or of just my dad and my kids at Christmas.

Ideas for how to make things go better:

-the parents who chose to marry, make babies, then divorce, then remarry someone with kids, and potentially make more kids: THOSE WERE ALL YOUR CHOICES and no one else’s. Part of recognizing that is understanding that things like the awkwardness you might experience at my wedding, or the limited time you get at holidays with me, is a product of the situation that YOU CREATED with your choices. Don’t get mad at me about it. There are operational and logistical consequences to blended families
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.


To elaborate on this PP’s post, here are some ideas about what playing “happy family” looks like:

-expecting/insisting that the adult children and grandchildren in the blended family spend holidays together
-expecting me to be interested in and discuss my step siblings as if they are of equal interest to me as my bio siblings
-don’t pout if I want some pics of just me and my dad on my wedding day, or of just my dad and my kids at Christmas.

Ideas for how to make things go better:

-the parents who chose to marry, make babies, then divorce, then remarry someone with kids, and potentially make more kids: THOSE WERE ALL YOUR CHOICES and no one else’s. Part of recognizing that is understanding that things like the awkwardness you might experience at my wedding, or the limited time you get at holidays with me, is a product of the situation that YOU CREATED with your choices. Don’t get mad at me about it. There are operational and logistical consequences to blended families


This is right. Stop expecting other people to run themselves ragged and put up with awful people so that you can avoid (or pretend to avoid) the consequences of YOUR CHOICES.

Even if my step-relatives were not a bunch of drug-addicted losers, even if they were just fine normal people, they would never be a priority. My priorities are my children. My actual parents. My marriage-- which I am all the more determined to maintain after seeing what children of divorce go through. My siblings. My job. My own sanity. Peaceful holidays in our own home. Step-parents, especially if they didn't raise me, come after all of that. And their children and relatives are an even lower priority. Maybe that disappoints you or interferes with your fantasy that you can have the family life you want, but the fact is, none of us can. Including you. That isn't bitterness. It's just a fact. Hassle me, complain, call me bitter or selfish or anything else, and you'll get even less.
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Anonymous wrote:It seems like the general consensus here is if you divorce, no family for you. I get divorce is awful, and it’s awful for all involved, not just the children, but how is it that you should then be doomed to a life of solitude? Marriage and family are normal desires, and those that are divorced still have normal human desires.

If you are able to navigate a blended family in a reasonable, responsible, mature way, I think it can work. We only live once, one shouldn’t deprive themselves of happiness because of a past error.


No, I think the general consensus here is that it is dishonest to pretend that there is not a very high probability of significant negative consequences on the first set of kids. You have to make your decision and live with the consequences; it is the pretending that there aren’t, or shouldn’t be, any such consequences that people are reacting so negatively to.

Just speaking for myself, who was in a relatively late and relatively benign situation: it is at minimum deeply obnoxious to be pressured to pretend that people you aren’t related to, have nothing in common with, and don’t particularly like are “family.” It’s worse when they make bad decisions regarding relationships, money, or substances—your family life is now pressured, and potentially compromised, by people you have no interest in. And they are at every Christmas, Thanksgiving, graduation, etc. Forever. The reasonable best case, it seems to me, is for the initial set of children to distance themselves from the family unit in general, with a reasonably high probability of some sort of train wreck. I’m sure there are a few outliers with very positive experiences. I understand the feeling that it shouldn’t have to be that way. But reality is what it is.


Marriage and family are normal desires, I agree. But I was married and I have my family.

Now I'm divorced. I dont believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Therefore I am now free to have as much sex as I want. I already have a family, and believe strongly that I need to put them first, despite my failed marriage. As such, I will not remarry, probably ever, but will 100% NOT "blend" families while I have kids in my house (so, 8 more years). Ive looked at the pros, I've looked at the cons......the cons win the day, for sure.



Good for you PP. I am glad there are people like you that focus on their kids rather than jumping on marrying anyone. If you are independent and secure then a marriage and living together doesn't make any difference to your love life. Infact, it's very healthy to be on your own for some time.


Thank you. It’s the harder position unless you’re self sufficient (I am) and actually put your kids first. I appreciate your kindness
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You would be surprised how many self sufficient mothers chose not to do even close to what you are doing PP. You could clearly see it in kids and your respect in their eyes when they grow up and see that you always put them first.
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Man, I HATE my stepmother with the fire of a million sons, but I’m an adult now. I’m not hung up on what daddy and mommy do at Christmas. I do what I want to do. A lot of adults here pretty bitter and fixated. My stepmother keeps my dad occupied so I have no duties towards him. No worries.
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Anonymous wrote:Man, I HATE my stepmother with the fire of a million sons, but I’m an adult now. I’m not hung up on what daddy and mommy do at Christmas. I do what I want to do. A lot of adults here pretty bitter and fixated. My stepmother keeps my dad occupied so I have no duties towards him. No worries.


Must be nice that they don't hassle you. Not all of us are so lucky. My mom randomly shows up at my house with her husband because she thinks that will make me spend time with him.
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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not divorced you have no right to comment on this board. The condescending attitudes about what’s right and “not just marrying anyone” are uncalled for. No one is talking about just marrying anyone. The question is about two people that suffered through divorce finding happiness again and hoping to expand a family.

Yes, it can work if done correctly, especially if the children are young and already get along.


Adult children of divorce have a perspective you won't get from divorced people. Divorced people can be very self-deluding about the consequences of their choices, and will stubbornly insist that everything is great, when really things are pretty bad.


I get this, but I'm not sure how having parents who are miserably still together, or miserably single with no partner for emotional support, is really that better for kids? At some point you do have to drop the bitterness.


You are still not getting it. It's not that I am bitter. I am tired. I just don't want to spend time propping up the illusion of a big happy family. My parents have the right to date and marry. I have the right to think their relationships are dysfunctional and their new partners are losers. I don't want to spend my time and energy on it. I have my own family now, and my own marriage and in-laws, and my other parent as well. I'm just not available for the fake happy family thing. Divorced parents should go in with eyes open and understand that their children may be polite but likely wil never truly blend.


To elaborate on this PP’s post, here are some ideas about what playing “happy family” looks like:

-expecting/insisting that the adult children and grandchildren in the blended family spend holidays together
-expecting me to be interested in and discuss my step siblings as if they are of equal interest to me as my bio siblings
-don’t pout if I want some pics of just me and my dad on my wedding day, or of just my dad and my kids at Christmas.

Ideas for how to make things go better:

-the parents who chose to marry, make babies, then divorce, then remarry someone with kids, and potentially make more kids: THOSE WERE ALL YOUR CHOICES and no one else’s. Part of recognizing that is understanding that things like the awkwardness you might experience at my wedding, or the limited time you get at holidays with me, is a product of the situation that YOU CREATED with your choices. Don’t get mad at me about it. There are operational and logistical consequences to blended families


This is right. Stop expecting other people to run themselves ragged and put up with awful people so that you can avoid (or pretend to avoid) the consequences of YOUR CHOICES.

Even if my step-relatives were not a bunch of drug-addicted losers, even if they were just fine normal people, they would never be a priority. My priorities are my children. My actual parents. My marriage-- which I am all the more determined to maintain after seeing what children of divorce go through. My siblings. My job. My own sanity. Peaceful holidays in our own home. Step-parents, especially if they didn't raise me, come after all of that. And their children and relatives are an even lower priority. Maybe that disappoints you or interferes with your fantasy that you can have the family life you want, but the fact is, none of us can. Including you. That isn't bitterness. It's just a fact. Hassle me, complain, call me bitter or selfish or anything else, and you'll get even less.



Agree 100%. My former step relatives weren’t drug addicts but I just had nothing in common with them. My dad fully joined step mom’s extended family but dh, I and our kids had no desire to and neither did my other siblings so we became the bad guys in stepmom’s eyes. Our mother had passed away years before but we were never allowed to speak of her (ie my dad wasn’t allowed to answer the grandkids’ questions about the grandma they never knew). He could have stood up to her but didn’t. We spent less and less time with him and when we did she was always there. My siblings and I haven’t spoken to any of them since he died.
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