Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The only ones crying here are the whites and asians who feel like they are entitled to spots at elite schools.

If you work hard and have the grades, why shouldn't you EARN a spot?

I fail to see your "logic."

Because you still aren't as qualified as the other applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

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Anonymous wrote:All you posters who are insisting that minorities admitted to competitive schools with lower grades and scores than white and Asian students do just as well, be realistic. In what universe would you put a crop of B- stidents in with straight A students, and not expect the former group to struggle to keep up with the latter group?

I've worked in the industry. I can tell you that that a high percentage of the minorities admitted under the lesser AA standards require a lot of tutoring to stay in the program. (Competitive universities invest a lot in keeping the AA students in their programs since they want to keep the drop-out rate low.) By comparison, the minorities who would have gained admission under the standard guidelines, which constitute about a third of minorities. do not need extra tutoring to keep from failing. As one would expect. After all, they were "equal" in terms of grades and test scores as the non-minority students.

Stanford had to create a couple of “physics for dummies” type courses to boost retention of URM students. Is that really the way AA is supposed to work? Pretty pathetic.

Yes, and I've heard black graduates complain that people wonder if they got in - and through - on their own, or whether lesser standards applied. Well. You can't have it both ways. If you lower standards to admit minorities who otherwise would have been rejected, every minority will then be suspected of getting in because of lesser standards.

The people who suffer, beyond the whites who are outright rejected, are the minorities who would have gotten in on their own. If a school has an entering class of 2000 students, 10% of whom are black (200), approximately 70 of them qualified under the "white standard." Approximately 130 would have had to go to a lesser school, if equal standards were applied.

The other ones who suffer are the many excellent Asian Americans who are rejected because according to the racial/ PC police they are "overrepresented."

Get off the cross we need the wood. Apply to a different school. Move on. Be smart and take a full scholarship instead of taking high yielding money out of a lucrative market. Harvard is ONE school.

DP. So why can't the minorities admitted to Harvard under lower standards apply to a different school? Why do the Asians have to go to the lesser school when their grades and scores were higher?

Because their spots were taken by legacies and athletes?

No, their spots were taken by black students with much lower grades and test scores.

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Much lower than the athletes? Really?

DP. Yes, blacks get the largest handicaps followed by latinos, athletes and legacies. The data are all there if you care to look.

It's true about the stats. The organization that produces the med school admission test has some very telling data on its website. The average grades and test scores for blacks admitted to med school are significantly lower for blacks than whites. There is no way in he!! that a kid with a 3.2 average in college is getting into med school - unless he's black.

My friend's son had a high test score and a 3.7 average - but it wasn't good enough to get into med school....any med school. (And he didn't have it easy: His father died when he was 12 and his mother raised him on a single income.) In the meantime, black kids with not much more than a B average and substantially lower scores get accepted.

Yes, it's tough to get into med school. He should have studied harder instead of bitching about a handful of spots that go to URMs.

Or, they should stop rejecting A- white kids in favor of B black kids, who then need extensive tutoring to maintain pace with their better qualified peers. med school is tough! No wonder the B students admitted under AA struggle through.

Or at least the black kids and their parents should be appreciative of the fact that they were given better students' spots because the rejected white kids were the wrong color. Instead, we have entitled black people telling them to quit bitching.

The A- kids didn't have a chance anyway. They are competing against the A+ kids. Do you know anyone who went to medical school recently? It's not the A- kids.

What kind of logic is this?? The reason the white A- kids didn't have a chance is because med schools gave their slots to the black B students!

It's unreal how some of you are trying to deny that giving preference to blacks comes at the expense of whites.

For the vast majority of the whiners, they aren't losing their spots to URM kids. It's a numbers game. There are many fewer URM kids applying for a handful of URM slots. But buttloads of mediocre MC/UMC kids fighting for the same spots.

Send your kid to state school. They will be fine. Give the URM kid a spot at a life-changing program. By lifting up others, we lift us all up.

Why shouldn't the black kid go to state school if that's what his academic record would qualify him for? To use your phrase...."He'll be fine."

You think that the lower-income white kid who excelled academically and would otherwise have gotten accepted to Harvard wouldn't find THAT a life-changing experience? Why such prejudice against poor whites who deserve a chance, given a shining scholastic record?

URM students should go to the best school they can. If that's Harvard, great. If it's a state school, that's great too. Although maybe state schools don't provide as much additional support to help them "catch up".

I said earlier that I'd be open to a combination of race, SES, and academics.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

True. Some kids are born into poverty and go to crappy schools, others into the working class and attend 5 and 6 schools, and still others into affluence with money for private schools and tutors. That's why SES should be the sole factor in AA policy - evens the playing field.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

Try not to be a moron.....life will never be an even playing field for anybody. But if your life strategy is to wait around for handouts and handicaps you’re not sending a very empowering message to your children.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

Try not to be a moron.....life will never be an even playing field for anybody. But if your life strategy is to wait around for handouts and handicaps you’re not sending a very empowering message to your children.

Why do you think that’s my strategy or the message I send to my kids?

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

True. Some kids are born into poverty and go to crappy schools, others into the working class and attend 5 and 6 schools, and still others into affluence with money for private schools and tutors. That's why SES should be the sole factor in AA policy - evens the playing field.

SES is not the only factor. URM kids and kids without college-educated parents aren’t on a level-playing field.

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

True. Some kids are born into poverty and go to crappy schools, others into the working class and attend 5 and 6 schools, and still others into affluence with money for private schools and tutors. That's why SES should be the sole factor in AA policy - evens the playing field.

SES is not the only factor. URM kids and kids without college-educated parents aren’t on a level-playing field.

DP.. I disagree. In the uber liberal area I live in, there are several well educated black families whose children are in advanced classes. These parents are lawyers and other professionals. I don't think the children of these parents are at any disadvantage in our uber liberal school. To say that these kids need a leg up compared to middle class white or Asian students insulting to the African American students who study their butts off.

They are in a much better position economically and in educational attainment than poorer white/Asian kids from some place else.

SES should definitely be the only criteria when trying to level the playing field. I think it is important to look at where you grew up and your family's SES, not race.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

True. Some kids are born into poverty and go to crappy schools, others into the working class and attend 5 and 6 schools, and still others into affluence with money for private schools and tutors. That's why SES should be the sole factor in AA policy - evens the playing field.

SES is not the only factor. URM kids and kids without college-educated parents aren’t on a level-playing field.

so by that logic all URM are inferior.....

think about the message being sent out

and for the last time on the bigger issue children of upper class blacks don't need a leg-up on admissions

most of the spots are going to recent African immigrants any way.

any way you slice it URM racial Affirmative Action is a joke and a shell game. It needs to end